Hulk vs Optimus Prime and the Fallen

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes, we've already discussed this in long detail. I don't know if it was with you or DDM.

It was a combination of Robtard, RJ, and myself, in different threads. Mostly Robtard, though. (I can't steal credit. pained )

But, yes, I agree with you: it was "high heat sabot rounds."

We can say that they were incendiary rounds mixed with armor piercing rounds: a converged technology that does not exist, as you stated.

Also, Sergeant Epps DID say something like, "high heat sabot rounds seem to be the only thing that hurt them." Or something like that. Grenades and rocket launchers were not working so we can assume that it took a high velocity round that was "very hot" to burn through their futuristic, self-repairing, "flesh."

Edit - However, it's very silly that "high heat" added to that type of round would some how "magically" burn through the xformers. That makes no sense because there has to be a thermal transference in order for that "round" to make sense: beacuse it is travel very fast, the round does not make contact nearly long enough to "burn" through anything.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit - However, it's very silly that "high heat" added to that type of round would some how "magically" burn through the xformers. That makes no sense because there has to be a thermal transference in order for that "round" to make sense: beacuse it is travel very fast, the round does not make contact nearly long enough to "burn" through anything.

You dare question Michael Bay? 😒

😂 "Bay knows best" lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
It was a combination of Robtard, RJ, and myself, in different threads. Mostly Robtard, though. (I can't steal credit. pained )

But, yes, I agree with you: it was "high heat sabot rounds."

We can say that they were incendiary rounds mixed with armor piercing rounds: a converged technology that does not exist, as you stated.

Also, Sergeant Epps DID say something like, "high heat sabot rounds seem to be the only thing that hurt them." Or something like that. Grenades and rocket launchers were not working so we can assume that it took a high velocity round that was "very hot" to burn through their futuristic, self-repairing, "flesh."

Edit - However, it's very silly that "high heat" added to that type of round would some how "magically" burn through the xformers. That makes no sense because there has to be a thermal transference in order for that "round" to make sense: beacuse it is travel very fast, the round does not make contact nearly long enough to "burn" through anything.

Wasn't the high heat needed to penetrate the shield?

And to prevent the regeneration of impacted/melted bit too, I think..
..As DDM correctly notes.

(Note that Scorponok's tail didn't grow itself an new body.)

Anyways, so The Fallen has raised Hulk 50ft in the air with his TK,
And Prime is slashing him with Energy swords and blasts from his cannon.

Whats can the Hulk do other than die....?

Not taking away from 2003 Hulk, but even if this was him, I doubt he could stand up to Prime's heat blades/hooks.

Originally posted by KingD19
Not taking away from 2003 Hulk, but even if this was him, I doubt he could stand up to Prime's heat blades/hooks.

A nuke is definitely much more violent and hotter than Prime's blades.

But that takes nothing away from those blades, of course.

Yeah it's hotter, but Hulk got pierced by those gamma dogs. Of course he healed, but that's beside the point. At the start of the fight, Prime swinging full force would lop something off, as all that heat is concentrated into a very small area, and that area is incredibly thin and sharp. Eventually Hulk might be able to resist it, but saying he won't get cut at all isn't true.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah it's hotter, but Hulk got pierced by those gamma dogs. Of course he healed, but that's beside the point. At the start of the fight, Prime swinging full force would lop something off, as all that heat is concentrated into a very small area, and that area is incredibly thin and sharp. Eventually Hulk might be able to resist it, but saying he won't get cut at all isn't true.

I don't think anyone said that the blades wouldn't cut him at all.

In fact, 2008 Hulk gets raped.

2003? I dunno: I am not sure that the blades would cut him, at all. The dogs were buffed out with similar crap that Hulk was: they are far stronger than Prime by a very long shot. I assume that the hot blade would just come into contact with his skin and bounce off of it.

Ang Lee Hulk sodomizes both of them, unless (as noted by Sadako) The Fallen is capable of teleporting him out of the fight and into space.

Norton Hulk might be able to **** one up a bit before he gets gutted, small target, he's fairly fast and battle-smart and can jump. Or The Fallen does his teleport thing and it's over before it begins.

Now, can The Fallen teleport anywhere he wants, or it is limited?

Whichever Hulk it is I wouldn't worry about Prime too much, given in the second film he was significantly more badass than he was in the first he's definitely not going to tank any attacks from the Hulk, especially '03 hulk. I don't remember what the Fallen has in his arsenal, but Sadako is saying TK so he could probably take the 08 Hulk with Prime at his side, but 03 Hulk I dunno, he didn't seem to be able to take much damage either, Prime made him his ***** in about five seconds flat. So unless his TK is godly then Hulk probably gets to him eventually and wrecks his life.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ang Lee Hulk sodomizes both of them, unless (as noted by Sadako) The Fallen is capable of teleporting him out of the fight and into space.

Norton Hulk might be able to **** one up a bit before he gets gutted, small target, he's fairly fast and battle-smart and can jump. Or The Fallen does his teleport thing and it's over before it begins.

Now, can The Fallen teleport anywhere he wants, or it is limited?

He has to use what I think is called the Space Bridges.

Indeed.
Space bridges in G1 were big mechanical constructs, but the Bayformers seem to be able to effect one personally.
Skywarp could in G1 could bean places, but his range in that regard was much limited than the sorts of distances seen travelled in Bayformers.

The Fallens TK ability though, is what he used to levitate and suspend hundreds of people, things, vehicles etc at once before smashing them all down to the ground, IIRC.... At the pyramid battle... Thats what I envisaged The Fallen using to keep Hulk levitated whilst Prime administers the pain.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ang Lee Hulk sodomizes both of them, unless (as noted by Sadako) The Fallen is capable of teleporting him out of the fight and into space.

Norton Hulk might be able to **** one up a bit before he gets gutted, small target, he's fairly fast and battle-smart and can jump. Or The Fallen does his teleport thing and it's over before it begins.

Now, can The Fallen teleport anywhere he wants, or it is limited?

This.

I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.

Depends on which version we're using. He can run faster, yes, but that doesn't mean Prime can't blitz him.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.

Ang Lee's version is many times more durable and there's not much Prime could do to that Hulk considering his durability, let alone his healing factor.

Speedblitzing you say, I doubt Prime could do that, but it would accomplish nothing except Hulk putting his foot up Prime's ass all that much faster.

It's basically Prime versus a Bumbleebee sized opponent that has seemingly limitless strength, massive running speed, crazy jumping ability, a healing factor and durability enough to take armour-piercing tank rounds, free-falls from a couple miles up and survive a nuke. ie he has massive cut, smashing and heat resistance.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I always thought(and still do) that Prime could end Hulk by himself. He's far smarter, far more skilled, durable, fair bit larger, has serious weapons that would do damage to Hulk, and can speedblitz in his car form.