Alex Mercer vs Akuma

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
And then using his true power to sink the island.

Based on what? There was no jump in power when he did it, no charging, no nothing...

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Then it's just as justified to speculate that his power goes from destroying an island with a car on it to him being able to to destroy a galaxy. I already said Akuma won.

Perhaps it is... I dunno, every apperance of Akuma has him doing more and more unbeleivable things, he's on the verge of entering Darkstalker territory...

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Then give me an official source saying how much his power increases in his shin form.

Thats just it, nobody knows, even the Asteroid thing is simply a guestimate.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
He is right next to it.

Not going by the logic you used in the revious panels... I can just as easily make the argument that the Asteroid is well off into the background in that picture and he's winding up his shot... *Shrugs*

"There was no jump in power when he did it, no charging, no nothing..."

"He's not a DBZ character that requires a powerup when he does big
moves."

The astroid thing doesn't count at all. As valid as fanfiction.

"Not going by the logic you used in the revious panels... I can just as easily make the argument that the Asteroid is well off into the background in that picture and he's winding up his shot... *Shrugs*"

It's not actually my personal logic, we have a hard time percieving the size of things when we don't realize or know the scale or distance. Does the comic state it's size anywhere? If it does I concede.

Try following the curve of heat out of the panel where akuma is next to the astroid with your mouse. It would only cover something the size of a large building. Continent sized is rediculously out of the question lol.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
"There was no jump in power when he did it, no charging, no nothing..."

"He's not a DBZ character that requires a powerup when he does big
moves."

I know what I said, but there's no evidence he was trying any harder with Ryu than that.

Then we have the Uuluru feat...

YouTube video @ 03:53 to 04:31

YouTube video This one's probably a better vid

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
The astroid thing doesn't count at all. As valid as fanfiction.

I know that, but you asked for Shin Akuma specific feats, and CVS2 and CFE where the only valid ones where he appeared as a separate entity.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
It's not actually my personal logic, we have a hard time percieving the size of things when we don't realize or know the scale or distance. Does the comic state it's size anywhere? If it does I concede.

Try following the curve of heat out of the panel where akuma is next to the astroid with your mouse. It would only cover something the size of a large building. Continent sized is rediculously out of the question lol.

It was stated at being enough to wipe out all life on earth... You'd need a multi KM wide asteroid to get that kind of result.

"I know what I said, but there's no evidence he was trying any harder with Ryu than that."

Did his strikes turn ryu into paste during the fight? Nope.
Is busting in island his best feat? Seems that it is.

Common sense indicates that he powered himself up vastly compared to when he was fighting ryu.

"It was stated at being enough to wipe out all life on earth... You'd need a multi KM wide asteroid to get that kind of result."

So they didn't state the size?

Well they either obviously exagerated because it's clear to me that it's no bigger than a large building.

Unless Akuma can grow to the size of a small city. 😛

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Did his strikes turn ryu into paste during the fight? Nope.
Is busting in island his best feat? Seems that it is.

Indeed

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Common sense indicates that he powered himself up vastly compared to when he was fighting ryu.

Or Ryu is pretty damn durable...

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
So they didn't state the size?

Well they either obviously exagerated because it's clear to me that it's no bigger than a large building.

Unless Akuma can grow to the size of a small city. 😛

Clear how? Like I said, you can draw all sorts of conclusions based on that, but the blaringly obvious facts are that A: The asteroid was a planetary threat, capable of wiping out all life, and B: Akuma destroyed it.

based on these two facts, the Asteroid was considerably larger than a building. As I said, to be a planetary threat requires at least 1 KM in diameter at minimal velocity. The explosion in the picture is indicative of a far larger mass than that.

I'm not saying it's a 500KM monster like this: YouTube video But it's certainly not bloody house sized, not for the panic it causes... if it where house sized, it would burn up before touching ground...

Just wanna throw this out there. ALL of Akuma's known feats are him using his moves while holdin' back. I think when Akuma really goes all out, he looks like Oni Akuma.

Oni Akuma is the Akuma that is appearing in a new arcade SFIV right?

I don't like feat skewing. It seems like some of the vs forums rely on that. Every media isn't argued the same. This is why people think guys like DD can beat Ryu and Wolverine by "best feats" and "statements" knowing that video game characters don't demonstrate "feats" the same way that comic characters do. It's pretty bad with more popular characters. Akuma does hold back in all of those feats. We don't know his maximum level. But even then it is sufficient to use in most matches anyways.

I wish they were more clear with guys like Ryu and Ken though, at least Akuma has a bunch of clear cut feats to use in a match. Ryu and Ken and most other characters are generally lacking.

"Or Ryu is pretty damn durable..."

Really now? So now Akuma wasn't holding back and Ryu was taking island busting attacks through the whole fight?

And my problem with that is what they (fallible desperate humans)say and what we can actually see with our own eyes (akuma is around 5'10"😉 I just don't see how it can possible be any bigger than a large building. Remember, it's fiction and not everything has to be the way it is in real life.

See the attached image. If they stated the size ANYWHERE in that comic what the size was I will concede and dismiss this as simply an oversight by the artist. But as it stands I am not even remotely convinced and I really don't feel like arguing this in circles.
Probably my last reply unless good evidence for the actual size is provided. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't like feat skewing. It seems like some of the vs forums rely on that. Every media isn't argued the same. This is why people think guys like DD can beat Ryu and Wolverine by "best feats" and "statements" knowing that video game characters don't demonstrate "feats" the same way that comic characters do. It's pretty bad with more popular characters. Akuma does hold back in all of those feats. We don't know his maximum level. But even then it is sufficient to use in most matches anyways.

I wish they were more clear with guys like Ryu and Ken though, at least Akuma has a bunch of clear cut feats to use in a match. Ryu and Ken and most other characters are generally lacking.

I see what you mean. Ryu's some pretty good displays of his abilities, too. Ken, my fav, is still lacking. Chun Li however, since SFIV, she has some pretty badass feats of chi and power.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
"Or Ryu is pretty damn durable..."

Really now? So now Akuma wasn't holding back and Ryu was taking island busting attacks through the whole fight?

And my problem with that is what they (fallible desperate humans) and what we can actually see with our own eyes (akuma is around 5'10"😉 I just don't see how it can possible be any bigger than a large building. Remember, it's fiction and not everything has to be the way it is in real life.

See the attached image. If they stated the size ANYWHERE in that comic what the size was I will concede and dismiss this as simply an oversight by the artist. But as it stands I am not even remotely convinced and I really don't feel like arguing this in circles.
Probably my last reply unless good evidence for the actual size is provided. 🤪 🤪 🤪 🤪

Yea, Akuma was holdin' back when he destroyed the island too.

"Yea, Akuma was holdin' back when he destroyed the island too."

How do you know that and by what extent?

Ryu has a few. But I mean some more striking power ones. Within general canon. I liked his video when he turned Evil for a second against C. Viper.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
"Yea, Akuma was holdin' back when he destroyed the island too."

How do you know that and by what extent?

Let's see. Shin Akuma has white hair, purple gi, and purple chi. Then there's ANOTHER form recently revealed that has'em with blue skin, constant aura and electricity, white hair and no shirt. A level beyond Shin.

So yes, Akuma was holdin' back more than half his power, if not more. It's the equivalent of Oro using one hand and lower than half his chi.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ryu has a few. But I mean some more striking power ones. Within general canon. I liked his video when he turned Evil for a second against C. Viper.

Yeah he lacks that. Altho, by the time of SFIII, Ryu surpaces Evil Ryu so what you see in the vid is still not Ryu at full power.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Really now? So now Akuma wasn't holding back and Ryu was taking island busting attacks through the whole fight?

Thats not what I said, I said even Akuma's power being withheld as much as it was, he was still able to sink the island. If Ryu can tank hits like that, then he's pretty damn durable, and even moreso is Akuma's potential releasted power.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
And my problem with that is what they (fallible desperate humans)say and what we can actually see with our own eyes (akuma is around 5'10"😉 I just don't see how it can possible be any bigger than a large building. Remember, it's fiction and not everything has to be the way it is in real life.

reffer to my pic, I can say the same thing. You can argue that they where exagerating, but the whole world thought the world was going to end, Why would ALL of them be wrong? Including scientists and astronomers that took the pics? As I stated, 1KM for extinction level event is required. House sized is not a threat as it would be burned up before hitting ground.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
See the attached image. If they stated the size ANYWHERE in that comic what the size was I will concede and dismiss this as simply an oversight by the artist. But as it stands I am not even remotely convinced and I really don't feel like arguing this in circles.
Probably my last reply unless good evidence for the actual size is provided. 😕

It's not my job to convince the opposition, merely to present the facts. Like I previously stated, it's not some moon sized monster asteroid, but it is an extinction level causing asteroid, that requires a certain size or better. The minimum is single digit Kilometers at the very least to cause planetwide extinction.

I would say this is more than enough.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ryu has a few. But I mean some more striking power ones. Within general canon. I liked his video when he turned Evil for a second against C. Viper.

Oh, you mean this? YouTube video

Originally posted by No End N Site
Let's see. Shin Akuma has white hair, purple gi, and purple chi. Then there's ANOTHER form recently revealed that has'em with blue skin, constant aura and electricity, white hair and no shirt. A level beyond Shin.

So yes, Akuma was holdin' back more than half his power, if not more. It's the equivalent of Oro using one hand and lower than half his chi.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Did it confirm to be beyond Shin? That's nuts.

Yup. You see, Shin Akuma is already in the game, he's a secret boss. this version now, is an even more powerful Akuma. Which is crazy cuz Shin Akuma has barely been explored.

I can't wait!

The picture about akuma destroyed an astroid comes from the comic "street fighter". It's published by UDON under Capcom's license. But Capcom has stated that the series draws not only on the established Street Fighter canon, but also occasionally addresses various continuity retcons, and even draws from fanon and non-official sources as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_(comic_book)

So should we consider this to be conon or not??

Akuma is mid-city buster, people in other forums also agree that.

One trick I try to do with SF to make it easier to argue is to go by levels of showings when I do a point or a match. Since like TMNT they have soooo many different types of media one would lose count and they all characterize them in their own ways.

Highest presentation, mid presentation, and lowest presentation. I find this makes everything neater to discuss. It might not be a one cut way, but it is more compromising.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats not what I said, I said even Akuma's power being withheld as much as it was, he was still able to sink the island. If Ryu can tank hits like that, then he's pretty damn durable, and even moreso is Akuma's potential releasted power.

reffer to my pic, I can say the same thing. You can argue that they where exagerating, but the whole world thought the world was going to end, Why would ALL of them be wrong? Including scientists and astronomers that took the pics? As I stated, 1KM for extinction level event is required. House sized is not a threat as it would be burned up before hitting ground.

It's not my job to convince the opposition, merely to present the facts. Like I previously stated, it's not some moon sized monster asteroid, but it is an extinction level causing asteroid, that requires a certain size or better. The minimum is single digit Kilometers at the very least to cause planetwide extinction.

I would say this is more than enough.

Oh, you mean this? YouTube video

Originally posted by Insomnia1234
The picture about akuma destroyed an astroid comes from the comic "street fighter". It's published by UDON under Capcom's license. But Capcom has stated that the series draws not only on the established Street Fighter canon, but also occasionally addresses various continuity retcons, and even draws from fanon and non-official sources as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_(comic_book)

So should we consider this to be conon or not??

Akuma is mid-city buster, people in other forums also agree that.

Actually, it's his Capcom Fighting Jam (also known as Capcom Fighting Evolution) Ending.

And, if we go even purely by the stricctest canon sense, he's an island buster which is a few orders of magnitude beyond city busting of any scale.