Kandy's Tourney, Round 2 Match 2

Originally posted by Ambient
You misunderstand what i meant, i was referring to both Starhawk and Exodus after the sharing/exchanging of thoughts or exp cast by Giselle during your prep, you claimed that they (Exodus and Starhawk) would be able to use magic ala Giselle albeit not as verse as her to which i replied this would not be possible since they would need to acquire a similar magical power source as Giselle which she was only able to garner with the power of the sigil and the absorption of the elders of the magic guilds..

that really doesn't make sense, and isn't in line with the story of Mystic at all. It is always implied that magic comes through training, one of the main stresses when Giselle gets the guild leaders is between her and her sister, because Giselle's sister had worked hard and earned the right to achieve her power, whereas Giselle just had them handed to her. If there is no blockage of the universal energies, which there wouldn't be, they would be able to cast, the mages on Ciress are never implied by anything in the comics to have some special magical “source of energy”, they just have to work hard at it.

Originally posted by Ambient
Sorry man i didn't see anything in there that disprove my claim, in fact you kinda provided me with proof that this spell is mind blowing given that once activated there would be an all out pour of information exchange..

Here lets take a look at some of the scans you've provided..

http://img714.imageshack.us/f/31450822.jpg/
Now if what you claim is true that she has full control of the memory being transferred, why then was she not able to limit the info being transfer in her side and save herself the headache?

http://img267.imageshack.us/f/75945766.jpg/
In here she actually even plainly said that this spells is mind blowing, in other words overwhelming...

Its really quite clear that once this spells is activated, all info is shared at once by the chars. involve..

Really man?

It doesn't matter too much anymore, really. Starhawks "future-memories" are off limits for all purposes, even synapse firing, if that were even suggested (which I've clearly shown it is not). And novice level magic abilities would hardly add any strength to my characters, though unless you have some scans to prove you claims about how magic works in the Cross-Gen universe, they still have them.

Frankly, the scans I've provided speak for themselves, in the first two sets, the only one "overwhelmed" by the spell was an intended victim, and there is obviously much that is not transferred. The Guild leader who first casts it on Giselle was conspiring against her at this time, Giselle was given no hint of this. Giselle knew secrets about the first and various other things, things about the guild her sister was leader of that would have been greatly helpful, there is never any indication she found these out.

Giselle didn't feel anything from the succubus, and it states on panel that she didn't learn much about the man she transferred language into (who never showed any indication of learning anything more about Giselle other than language). And here, just to be overwhelmingly clear:

Mystic 32:

Giselle casts the spell to find out why everyone is fighting:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/mystic032pg22.jpg/
http://img708.imageshack.us/i/mystic032pg23.jpg/

Mystic 33:

This same individual tells Giselle the story of how magic was blocked on the world:

http://img842.imageshack.us/i/mystic033pg09.jpg/
http://img840.imageshack.us/i/mystic033pg10.jpg/
http://img263.imageshack.us/i/mystic033pg11.jpg/

Thus, not everything is transferred, or Giselle would have already know this. Like I said, it only transfers what the caster wants, in this scene, the context relevant information about the children. She didn't learn all of his memories.

So, ya, I'm entirely right, but it really isn't that important without precog. The magic spells are kinda superfluous

Attack Phase

Originally posted by Ambient
As powerful as the creature is, less that blast contains as much power as a sun going Nova then you've got somethin to contend to, otherwise that shield would not hold up, to top that off we've got a few more RT's at our disposal to unleash..

My following post(s?) will deal with the RTs more, and also my shields, but needless to say, even without any amplification, the combined shields of Exodus and Giselle would easily stand up to your attack. That they are both amplified makes it a laugh.

Originally posted by Ambient
When did Exodus manage to make a psi enhancer? What material did he use?

do you mean in the comics or in this fight? I had him do it in prep, there are lots of materials on Giselle's moon base, and magic is a power source. Starhawk has built computers, artificial gravity, communicators, and with the guild masters' knowledge, this wouldn't be hard. Exodus has molecular level TK:

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/xmenannual001manip01.jpg/
http://img829.imageshack.us/i/xmenannual001manip02.jpg/

Originally posted by Ambient
His got the aide of the Q band heck Quazar can almost keep up with Surfer w/ q bands let alone someone enhance powers added to it.. Unfortunately he does not have that option here.. Looking at the scan, it clearly shows Starhawks activation of the q band..

See, that is true, but read what Surfer says. Starhawk's energy signal is unmistakable and he has not entered Q space.

Either way, in these scans we see him traveling FTL, and then increasing his speed even further:

http://img10.imageshack.us/i/guardiansofthegalaxy03a.jpg/
http://img545.imageshack.us/i/guardiansofthegalaxy032.jpg/

Originally posted by Ambient
Surviving the sun shows extreme durability perhaps above caps...😄

lulz, Starhawk isn't above the durability cap

Originally posted by Ambient
either way if he does survive it would be 3 to 1 cause really i dont think both exodus and giselle shield could hold out to that kind of power at point blank range..

How would you take down Starhawk?

Originally posted by Ambient
I wouldnt be putting him above Grails in speed as both exhibit FTL, heck im putting slight above than him as Grail is as fast as instant teleportation..

ok, first, honestly, that “faster than teleportation” scan is bullshit. I hate to call you on something like that, but it totally is:

http://img301.imageshack.us/f/fastasteleport38xp6.jpg/
http://img301.imageshack.us/f/fastasteleport238uq6.jpg/

There is no indication whatsoever that either character arrives before the other, not in the art and not in the dialogue. The only impressive “FTL” scan is Grail barely beating a pulse into orbit. This is not faster than Starhawk, and Starhawk is much more used to fighting at that speed:

http://img403.imageshack.us/i/marveltwoinone061outrac.jpg/

http://img33.imageshack.us/i/guardiansofthegalaxy620.jpg/
http://img25.imageshack.us/i/guardiansofthegalaxy620.jpg/

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/marvelpresents011blitza.jpg/

To the best of my knowledge, Grail has never speedblitzed an opponent. Further (though I will challenge this later), Warlock [supposedly] has command of Grail's powers here, and he certainly wouldn't be experienced enough as “pure energy” to effectively engage in FTL combat with Starhawk.

Originally posted by Ambient
My chars is immune to psi assault Grail/Warlock/Ironman..

what is Grail/Warlock/Ironman supposed to mean?

Ironman

has not faced a psychic in his new armour, so I don't know where you are getting this idea from. Not to mention, Exodus decimates SHIELD psychic defences:

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/xmenannual001shieldpsii.jpg/

Grail

So, yes, he is able to manipulate energy to prevent mind control:

http://img808.imageshack.us/i/wetworks04321.jpg/

I can't mind control you in the tournament, so it doesn't really matter. He has totally been taken down by psychic attacks:

http://img830.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3508gseti.jpg/
http://img403.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3509gseti.jpg/

http://img87.imageshack.us/i/wetworks04316.jpg/

in the later, he remains down until the end of the comic. Also, this type of manipulation is something he has to activate, which he would have no reason to do.

Warlock

Has been amenable to psychics:

http://img440.imageshack.us/i/newmutants02127.jpg/

http://img27.imageshack.us/i/newmutants02210.jpg/

http://img221.imageshack.us/i/newmutants03617.jpg/

http://img42.imageshack.us/i/newmutants06408.jpg/

And the Magus has twice been taken out by psychic possession:

http://img255.imageshack.us/i/newmutants04711.jpg/

http://img192.imageshack.us/i/newmutants05035.jpg/

So, for all of your characters, there really is no reason to think they would stand up to Exodus for very long.

Originally posted by Ambient
I think thats against the rules matter manipulation, if its not then 😄 ..

Ok, I turn everything that isn't your characters into butterflies:

http://img686.imageshack.us/i/mystic01204.jpg/

Originally posted by Ambient
[B]Technarch and Nano tech:
My chars. can also attack you with the phalanx virus or nano virus if in someway you chars can survive a barrage of a few RT's going supernova..[/B]

You honestly wouldn't have time

Shields

Exodus

Vs Sersi:

http://img411.imageshack.us/i/uncannyxmen30701.jpg/
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/uncannyxmen30702.jpg/
http://img340.imageshack.us/i/uncannyxmen30703sersiis.jpg/

Vs Xmen/Avengers:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5169/avengers36901.jpg

Now he is amplified.

Giselle

Against a Godlike being:

http://img34.imageshack.us/i/mystic02414.jpg/

Against a Guild leader:

http://img228.imageshack.us/i/mystic40shields.jpg/

Against a being composed of an entire guild, each individual's power amplified by them merging into the same magical being:

http://img813.imageshack.us/i/mystic03402.jpg/

Against a formless hunter from the spirit plane, so powerful that it is said multiple times on panel that the guild would have been unable to deal with this creature alone:

http://img198.imageshack.us/i/mystic2601.jpg/
http://img828.imageshack.us/i/mystic2602.jpg/
http://img146.imageshack.us/i/mystic2603.jpg/

and she is amplified.

Your Prep

Originally posted by Ambient
1st.) Warlock melds with Tony and download/absorbs/infects Tony and his lab..

Notes:

Warlock melding abilities..
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/...t=warlock10.jpg

Warlock infecting and absorbing tech..
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/...ts03page002.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/...3page003004.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/...tants080019.jpg

2nd.) Tony takes control of Warlock's born techo-morph powers then proceeded to make the newer version of RT's, and so between Tonys resources and energy + grails energy reserves and Warlock techno-morph powers it should be no problem to replicate a few of this, within warlock giving him energy >>>>> to that of the bleeding edge armor.. This will not take that long specially with Warlock's overall morphing abilities > that of the cosmically powered Impossible man, that should say a lot..

Notes:

The RT within tony = energy of a single star..
http://img204.imageshack.us/f/im2ww.jpg/

http://img692.imageshack.us/i/iim300025copy.jpg/

Hyperbole from Stark about “unlimited” power are really meaningless. Further, if you have current Stark, he doesn't have access to mass resources. He is broke, in recent issues needing to break down old Ironman suits for scrap parts. There is no reason to believe that he would have spare resources to make any additional RTs. Further still, he has only ever built two, and there is no indication how long they take to make. Assuming he has all the supplies, how long do you suppose one of those units takes to fabricate?

Oh, you will say, but Warlock will make it fast. Really? You have scans of Warlock enhancing a manufacturing process? Warlock would have trouble enough absorbing just the lab, like in this scan:

http://img220.imageshack.us/i/022zw.jpg/

Ah-ha! You will say, but I can charge Warlock with the RT or with Grail. But here is the problem with that, Warlock has an upper energy threshold. For instance, here Magneto gives him a “shock”:

http://img543.imageshack.us/i/newmutants035large09.jpg/

Or he gets hit by lightning:

http://img28.imageshack.us/i/nmsepg11a.jpg/

Or hell, look at how much he was messed up the first time he tried to draw power from an electrical outlet:

http://img266.imageshack.us/i/newmutants02118.jpg/

You aren't going to be able to pump enough energy into Warlock, without killing him, for him to even absorb all of the Stark labs.

Originally posted by Ambient
2nd.) Warlock who is now the entire base forms an enormous dragon armor around Grail, all the while Tony puts up full power into the shield, also ready's himself to absorb energy discharge and remotely controls some of the armor with the new RT's installed as internal powersource.. The armors also infected with techno-virus and nano tech is then attached via linkage cable's from the dragon armor around Grail..

http://img706.imageshack.us/i/wetworksv109pg12sd.jpg/

Warlock is not totally robotic or inorganic, so he would be hurt if he tried to touch Grail.

Originally posted by Ambient
3rd.) The Warlock Dragon armor then access Grails powers and turns itself to pure energy and cloaks itself outside of the EM spectrum..

1) cloak? Scans please

2) Warlock can't access Grail's powers. Warlock specifies that he can only absorb genetic or biologically based powers, Grails energy abilities come from his ability to manipulate his Chi. Warlock would have no access to this.

Originally posted by Ambient
My inital attack is plain and simple; find and then let out a massive omidirectional blast..

See, here is the last issue. Even if you overcome everything I've posted above, Warlock has never had omni-directional blast powers. He can't just “release” energy. If he [somehow] uses Grail's power, he would only be manipulating Chi energy. I've not seen Grail draw on electrical energy and power himself. There is no good reason to think that the Chi energy and RT energy could be combined into a single energy attack, or that the RT energy would even have a way to be used for energy attacks.

Originally posted by Ambient
Ill post Warlock teleportational powers later..

please do

Why my prep phase would work:

So, a couple of problems with this, first lets address the RTs:
We have no idea how powerful these are, period. And seriously, there are no feats whatsoever that indicate that it might have enough power to create a “supernova”. The best I could find was a car blowing up that had used the same technology, and the explosion is nothing close to that scale:

http://img692.imageshack.us/i/iim300025copy.jpg/

Hyperbole from Stark about “unlimited” power are really meaningless. Further, if you have current Stark, he doesn't have access to mass resources. He is broke, in recent issues needing to break down old Ironman suits for scrap parts. There is no reason to believe that he would have spare resources to make any additional RTs. Further still, he has only ever built two, and there is no indication how long they take to make. Assuming he has all the supplies, how long do you suppose one of those units takes to fabricate?

The one in the scan pretty much is a prototype and really his not going to put a similar RT's as one in his bleeding edge armor till his perfected the resilient sport car, less he wan't the planet to go boom if something goes wrong..

And regarding his resources, you are right he does not have the resources to weaponized his inventions however whatever he left to himself has been focused to mass produced the RT's for the public this pretty much is the focused on the current storyline.. His main factory/lab is used for reproduction/research of this newer version of tech regs, so requiring materials for production of this RT's should be ample supply..

So since Warlock pretty much becomes the whole lab/factory, he can shape/morph anything and everything according to Tony specs, that is his ability and this he does it instantaneously..

Oh, you will say, but Warlock will make it fast. Really? You have scans of Warlock enhancing a manufacturing process?

Warlock would have trouble enough absorbing just the lab, like in this scan:

http://img220.imageshack.us/i/022zw.jpg/

That scan actually quite a very impressive feat for Warlock i meant he affected/manipulated Doug's gene's, cell by cell...

Ah-ha! You will say, but I can charge Warlock with the RT or with Grail. But here is the problem with that, Warlock has an upper energy threshold. For instance, here Magneto gives him a “shock”:

http://img543.imageshack.us/i/newmutants035large09.jpg/

Or he gets hit by lightning:

Also the other thing to consider is that his not trying to absorb energies in those scan which actually making those scan's without any relevancy since it is not what my chars. trying to do..

Ok, the problem here is that anything organic that touches Grail is burned:

http://img706.imageshack.us/i/wetworksv109pg12sd.jpg/

Warlock is not totally robotic or inorganic, so he would be hurt if he tried to touch Grail.

Merge with Jester..

http://img502.imageshack.us/i/wetworks03916.jpg/

Merge with Dozer..

http://img407.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3102gseti.jpg/
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3109gseti.jpg/

Also i might add that Warlock is totally robotic, full technark..

1) cloak? Scans please

2) Warlock can't access Grail's powers. Warlock specifies that he can only absorb genetic or biologically based powers, Grails energy abilities come from his ability to manipulate his Chi. Warlock would have no access to this.

2.) Actually he didn't even state that he absorbs they're genetic abilities but rather integrate himself with they're natural born abilities which actually function the same way as the wetworks symbiote..

http://img246.imageshack.us/f/ressurects14lx8.jpg/

See, here is the last issue. Even if you overcome everything I've posted above, Warlock has never had omni-directional blast powers. He can't just “release” energy. If he [somehow] uses Grail's power, he would only be manipulating Chi energy. I've not seen Grail draw on electrical energy and power himself. There is no good reason to think that the Chi energy and RT energy could be combined into a single energy attack, or that the RT energy would even have a way to be used for energy attacks.

Integrated -Combining or coordinating separate elements so as to provide a harmonious, interrelated whole.

http://img821.imageshack.us/i/imagehlh.jpg/

Top that off w/ Grail a top tier energy manipulator, he can duplicate any energy field so long as he knows the type..

http://img820.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3216gseti.jpg/
http://img707.imageshack.us/f/wetworks3217gseti.jpg/

Should work like a charm..

please do

http://img195.imageshack.us/i/image4il.jpg/
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Recap:

Warlock techno-morph ability controlled by Stark duplicated the RT's tech and makes a few..

RT = Man made Star - is integrated into warlocks system just like Ironmans suit and the RT's that powers it..

Warlock forms a suit of armor and integrate with Grail then transform into energy - Grail take control

Why Inimalist Attack phase would crumble:

My following post(s?) will deal with the RTs more, and also my shields, but needless to say, even without any amplification, the combined shields of Exodus and Giselle would easily stand up to your attack. That they are both amplified makes it a laugh.

What was the most powerful attack that Giselle and Exodus shield withstood?

Doubt they're shield would hold up that long against Grails normal attack blast..

http://img266.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3717gseti.jpg/
http://img174.imageshack.us/i/graildeathbomb27gw7.jpg/

Let alone a star exploding..

Another thing in question to your prep is Giselle sucking energies from Exodus and Starhawk healing..

Healing is in no way similar to rejuvenating ones energies, heck for that matter i have never seen Stakar fully healed someone before..
It might help if we see him rejuvenating someone's energy or healing for that matter..

do you mean in the comics or in this fight? I had him do it in prep, there are lots of materials on Giselle's moon base, and magic is a power source. Starhawk has built computers, artificial gravity, communicators, and with the guild masters' knowledge, this wouldn't be hard.

Exodus has molecular level TK:

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/xmenannual001manip01.jpg/

http://img829.imageshack.us/i/xmenannual001manip02.jpg/

Even if it does happen to work, what say the material required is in there? The shield helicarrier is a different matter since it already is equipped with psi protection device used by they're psi dev. staff.. Also magic tech far differ than sci tech, there is no one in your char. rooster who has quite a passing familiarity towards magic tech.. Its quite hard enough to believed that Exodus could make psi mutant locator in Giselle moonbase let alone something to enhance his powers, top this off that everything in the base runs through magic.. I'm just not buying it...

See, that is true, but read what Surfer says. Starhawk's energy signal is unmistakable and he has not entered Q space.

Either way, in these scans we see him traveling FTL, and then increasing his speed even further:

http://img10.imageshack.us/i/guardi...egalaxy03a.jpg/
http://img545.imageshack.us/i/guard...egalaxy032.jpg/

All i see is FTL, this pretty much an unquantified feat - it could mean that his going faster than before meant going at ftl is as fast as his gone.

lulz, Starhawk isn't above the durability cap

How would you take down Starhawk?

This kind of explosion would cover the whole battle field, you can't out race or hide from it..

ok, first, honestly, that “faster than teleportation” scan is bullshit. I hate to call you on something like that, but it totally is:

http://img301.imageshack.us/f/fastasteleport38xp6.jpg/
http://img301.imageshack.us/f/fastasteleport238uq6.jpg/

There is no indication whatsoever that either character arrives before the other, not in the art and not in the dialogue. The only impressive “FTL” scan is Grail barely beating a pulse into orbit. This is not faster than Starhawk, and Starhawk is much more used to fighting at that speed:

http://img403.imageshack.us/i/marve...e061outrac.jpg/

http://img33.imageshack.us/i/guardi...egalaxy620.jpg/
http://img25.imageshack.us/i/guardi...egalaxy620.jpg/

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/marve...s011blitza.jpg/

To the best of my knowledge, Grail has never speedblitzed an opponent. Further (though I will challenge this later), Warlock [supposedly] has command of Grail's powers here, and he certainly wouldn't be experienced enough as “pure energy” to effectively engage in FTL combat with Starhawk.

His got the speed and processing ability to contend Starhawk's speed..

Either way speed wouldn't be the deciding factor..

It wouldn't be Warlock controlling but Grail, ive explained it in my other post..

what is Grail/Warlock/Ironman supposed to mean?

Ironman

has not faced a psychic in his new armour, so I don't know where you are getting this idea from. Not to mention, Exodus decimates SHIELD psychic defences:

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/xmena...shieldpsii.jpg/

Grail

So, yes, he is able to manipulate energy to prevent mind control:

http://img808.imageshack.us/i/wetworks04321.jpg/

I can't mind control you in the tournament, so it doesn't really matter. He has totally been taken down by psychic attacks:

http://img830.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3508gseti.jpg/
http://img403.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3509gseti.jpg/

http://img87.imageshack.us/i/wetworks04316.jpg/

in the later, he remains down until the end of the comic. Also, this type of manipulation is something he has to activate, which he would have no reason to do.

Current Ironman..

his got no brain matter to psionically affect and the hardrive brain function his got makes him immune to telepathy..

http://img204.imageshack.us/f/im2ww.jpg/

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/?action=view&current=im_tpimmune3.jpg

You are right about Grail, he is immune to psychic manip/attack his, energy forms and manipulation protect him from that type of attack..

Keeping psionic energy from reaching him..

http://img526.imageshack.us/f/wetworks04313.jpg/

Warlock also has got some psionic defenses, anyhow it really doesn't matter since Grail can prevent any psionic, heck any energy from reaching them..

Your Shields:
Again i have not seen anything extra-ordinary that even Grail couldn't break, Against the power of an exploding star it will toppled/break easy..

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Recap:

Your shield wouldn't hold an inkling towards the full power of an exploding star..

Giselle vamp. spell against Exodus would prove disastrous against your prep since really to get him back to full power would require not just any normal healing but the ability to rejuvenate one's energy..

Grail is either as fast or faster than Starhawk..

My chars is immune to psionic attack, mainly because of Grail's energy manipulation..

that really doesn't make sense, and isn't in line with the story of Mystic at all. It is always implied that magic comes through training, one of the main stresses when Giselle gets the guild leaders is between her and her sister, because Giselle's sister had worked hard and earned the right to achieve her power, whereas Giselle just had them handed to her. If there is no blockage of the universal energies, which there wouldn't be, they would be able to cast, the mages on Ciress are never implied by anything in the comics to have some special magical “source of energy”, they just have to work hard at it.

Ill cont. later..

So here is the summary of all my argumentation thus far...

Inmalist Prep:

Giselle casting the Vajra spell - transfer of experience - so as to share her knowledge of spells to everyone..

Thought this spell is powerful and useful there is a big drawback, the more information is transferred, the more it can overwhelm a character without the ability to process so much bulk information all at once *Giselle's life and her training in magical arts*.. This would be problematic for both Exodus and Starhawk since both character have never displayed this trait of ability..

Here Giselle said that this spell is mind blowing *the info. being transfered is more than the receiver and caster can process*..

Scan:

http://img267.imageshack.us/i/75945766.jpg/

Another that i also need to point out is the level of power that Giselle possesses in this battle, dough Inmalist pointed out that she can certainly cast spells using her own magical energy reserves, it still is not as abundance as having this magical energies around her like say fighting in her home planet or a planet teaming with natural universal energies, I believed Kk never mention this source of energy present in the battle field thus limiting the power source her spell uses.

Starhawks Healing: - In his prep he uses Giselle's energy absorbing spell *to add it to her own* towards Exodus and have Starhawk healed Exodus at full power..

I don't see this working as: 1st.), Exodus is not even injured but only fatigue. 2nd.) Starhawk have never displayed the power to rejuvenate someone back to full energy. 3rd.) Even if Starhawk can give some of his energy to Exodus whose to say it is compatible as Exodus energy steams from psionic. 4th.) Even if it does work it'll just leave Starhawk drained as his giving his own energies to Exodus..

My Prep:

RT's = Star - Tony and Warlock melds with this, the secret of the RT's unlocked..

Take a look at the scans, notice Reed reaction after Tony mention's RT = Star, " OOOHHHH! " in a somewhat awed facial expression. This certainly is not hyperbole coming from Tony but actual facts, proof is in Reed's reaction..

Scan:
http://img204.imageshack.us/i/im2ww.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/f/im3v.jpg/

Warlock Techno-Morph

His ability to infect, adapt, absorb and meld with technology affords him the use of said so tech and control/shape it to any way he likes.. Tony/Warlock full control over the manufacturing plant/lab really speeds up the process in the making of the RT's..

Scan:

http://img192.imageshack.us/i/newmutants03page002.jpg/
http://img251.imageshack.us/i/newmutants03page003004.jpg/

Warlock and the RT's

Warlock/Tony are not force absorbing the energies within the RT's but rather integrating the RT's technology within, a similar way the Ironman suits and the RT's Work..

Grail Energy Form

Upon fully sychronizing with the symbiote and Claymore's power manipulation allowed Grail full control over his form..

Scan:

http://img502.imageshack.us/i/wetworks03916.jpg/

http://img407.imageshack.us/i/wetworks3102gseti.jpg/

Warlock Interface Armor

This armor can interface with Grails only biological aspect, the symbiotes and access/shares the power to turn into energy..

Scan:

http://img821.imageshack.us/i/imagehlh.jpg/

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Judges:

There is just so much holes in Inmalist prep; the Vajra spell and the Vampire *energy absorb* spell can backfire at them once the spell is activated, Giselle is practically reliant on her own energy reserve and that in itself is not limitless.. This prep would most likely do harm rather than good and would greatly depower them once actual combat starts. My prep however technical is plausible, everything is laid out as i've explained above.. It would not only add additional fire power and defenses but also geared up to take Inmalist team out.

Inmalist Attack Phase VS My Attack Phase

Inmalist Attack

The instant they arrive on the battlefield, Starhawk begins a FTL assault against your characters. Starhawk can move and shoot while traveling faster than your characters can respond, and his blasts are capable of bringing down shields that Thor was unable to, even with Mjolnir, or destroying space-based defenses in a single blast.

Starhawk’s flanking alone would be devastating, but it is accompanied by attacks from large golems made of earth and stone, and demons. In addition, being able to detect your mystic energies, Giselle teleports into range and Exodus, amplified incredibly, unleashes a psionic attack against your team, while shielded by Giselle, who can channel huge amounts of energies into her shields. If either of them are hurt, they can retreat for FTL healing from Starhawk.

My Attack Phase

My inital attack is plain and simple; find and then let out a massive omidirectional blast..

* So my characters scan for bio and energy signatures within the E.M and astral spectrums..

* One's they're at the destination, they'll let out a massive omnidirectional energy wave equal to the energies of some of the RT's built during the prep.. That energy wave would cover the whole battle ground and disintegrate it..

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The Fight
So basically it does not matter who finds who first, once the fighting starts Starhawk goes on the offense however whats going to happen is he gets meet by 3 controlled Ironman Suits by Tony * The bleeding Edge armor, The Warmachine Armor and Rescue Armor all equiped with the new design RT's, infected with techno-virus and nano tech and in energy form, that move as fast as Grail as its directly connected to the Warlock Armor but basically they're just there for defense.. As soon as all Inmalist team is within visual contact the Repulsor Tech Reg's is activated and lets out a massive explosion equal to 3 star going super nova in power, this should cover the whole battle ground and reduce anything to nothingness cept the point of explosion *My Char.*..

Inmalist summons and shields wouldn't protect them..

As for psi attack..

My team is well protected beetween Stark tech, Grail energy manipulation and Warlock immunity to telepathic bolt *Still have to scan it but its in new mutant # 75 and he was up against Emma Frost*

Scan..

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/?action=view&current=im_tpimmune3.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/i/wetworks04313.jpg/

And even if they do survive they wouldn't be in any shape to contend to, easy prey against my still fresh Chars..

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Summary:

Inmalist team attack, my 3 construct *Ironman Suits* defends then a massive Super Nova Explosion occurs.. End Game

Judge:

My team has the power to counter everything they can throw, i couldn't say the same to them.. They have no counter to my trump card, the explosive power of the RT's..

So ya, Mr. Ambient, I think we have argued back and forth on a lot of these points, if I were to go point by point with you, a lot of it would just be a lot of what I had said before. So, instead, I'm just going to do like an “essay” for the judges, and ya, if you have any things you think I need to specify further, I'll be glad to, but if not, I think this is all I need to say, and I'll be the Cassius to your Mark Antony.

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Why I Win
A Short Study of Beat-Down

So, up until now, this thread has almost entirely focused on how Giselle's magic works, or some other aspect of my prep. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to seem hard done by, just that, well, like I said before, without precog, a lot of it was superfluous (except for the golems that act to soak up damage, I suppose). I don't have scans of an “amplified” Exodus or Giselle, so that all comes down to speculation anyways, and both Starhawk and Exodus alone are exponentially more powerful than the magic spells they were given, so it adds remarkably little to their powerset.

I'm not conceding these points, and judges, please, look back through the arguments I've made, I feel I've been pretty exhaustive on the substantive criticisms, and, to be honest, ones that are less than substantive. All I'm trying to say is, my prep is not the crux of my strategy, picking a balanced team was.

That being said, some of the points I've had to answer have been nonsensical. Attempting to nerf Giselle [what evidence?], suggesting that scans showing Exodus building a cerebro unit [which does enhance psychic ability] don't actually mean he has the know-how to do so, or that reviving someone who was dying from blood loss isn't “rejuvenating” them [I could probably link something on PubMed] [no, seriously, **** that, Starhawk healed a man made of glass from apparent death, and he's not able to “rejuvenate” Exodus....]. The evidence that I've provided for the transfer spell, for that to still be an issue?

And this isn't to be personal, just that, going through this, I realize I've fallen into the trees and totally lost sight of the forest. So I'm going to take a step back.

First, the absolutely inarguable: Ambient's prep is far more crucial for his victory than is mine. Not only does his entire battle strategy depend on it, his team would be decimated by mine in a straight brawl, Warlock being the weak link with no technological characters on my side. So, if Grail can't interface with Warlock [Grail merging with other symbiotes is way different than merging with Warlock; Grails powers aren't biological, which Warlock specifies is what enables him to access Sunspot's powers], or if Warlock doesn't have the capacity to draw power from the RT [while Ambient might argue he can just draw what he needs, the scan showing Warlock's first time drawing power from a socket nearly fried him, and he was just trying to draw what he needed, the power of the RT might destroy him], its over. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, this just seems inescapable to me.

So, lets do it like this. Pretend, my prep doesn't work, and his does. My characters are not amplified, nor do they know magic. The golems and such are still there [damage soak], I guess the magic eyes would be too.

Ambient teleports in. My characters are protected behind the strongest shields Giselle can create [only ever broken by one of the 2 God characters of the Cross-Gen universe] and those of Exodus [capable of defending against characters like Sersi, Holocaust, multiple members of the X-Men/Avengers simultaneously]. Starhawk, who can move faster than his attack, could simply hide behind the two. That is, if there were anything for him to worry about from that attack anyways [survived in a sun, energy manipulator].

Further, since the RT is an electromagnet, the attack is going to be energy based, not concussive, or rather, an attack using electromagnetic energy, or electromagnetic radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7353/heroes4hire016canblockr.jpg

So, there is that too.

But what are we to make of this attack. We know it will range from something between Grail's greatest attack [lolmgz! It took out a couple of helicopters] to this absurd notion of a supernova [supernovae are generated because of the mass of the star, Tony doesn't weigh the same as a star]. So, where are we left? I posted a picture of a large explosion from the same technology, which wasn't nearly as powerful, and Richards' dumb face aside, there is no other evidence at all about how powerful this explosion might be. Does hyperbole and facial expression trump an on panel demonstration of the exact thing Ambient is describing [the energy output of RT technology]?

But these questions become even more problematic for Ambient from here. He has never really addressed why his characters would be able to sit in the epicentre of this blast. Sure, they “are energy”, but that has never made characters immune to being harmed. Warlock, as I've shown, has a low threshold for energy attacks, Grail isn't immune to them. Tony is strong, so lets say he has Ambient's strongest defence. Does Tony break before my shields do? I'd say absolutely. Is there really any serious suggestion that Iron Man will be able to survive longer than the combined shields of my characters will hold out?

If Ambient's characters survive, Exodus would make quick work of Warlock and Grail [he brought down a room full of people, who an Inhuman psychic says would have died if she didn't shield them], and Stark couldn't hold out against the three of them for long. Which actually brings me to my last point:

Whatcha gonna do 'bout Starhawk?

No, seriously?

Grail doesn't speedblitz, none of Ambient's characters have attacks that are capable of hitting a target going FTL, his entire MO is FTL combat and his attacks can bring down Korvak's shields. His team would have serious difficulty taking down Starhawk alone. With additional mindrape and magic? Really? Really?

The point is, if we leave this to some debate about who's prep works how, it muddles the picture. My team is clearly dominant in the battle, regardless of my prep. I deliberately chose characters that didn't rely on these “win button” scenarios [ftl, healing, magic, psychic, turtle] so that I had options in combat. I think this is an excellent example of why that strategy worked, as Ambient's “win button” comes up short, and he strands himself in this “pseudo-energy-amalgam” that couldn't hope to engage any one of my characters in combat individually.

Originally posted by Ambient
As for psi attack..

My team is well protected beetween Stark tech, Grail energy manipulation and Warlock immunity to telepathic bolt *Still have to scan it but its in new mutant # 75 and he was up against Emma Frost*

I actually don't have that one...

That being said, Warlock has shown selective telepathic immunity to other enemies. Members of the New Mutants (Karma, Magik, the native one who I don't know) have either entered Warlock's mind, or had a psychic effect on him in some way, and Xavier clearly states that he could read Warlock's mind. Not only that, the Magus was twice taken down by psionics.

The majority of appearances would go to me.

Originally posted by Ambient
Scan..

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/?action=view&current=im_tpimmune3.jpg

"can't read a harddrive", not can't be hit by psionic bolts

Originally posted by Ambient
http://img526.imageshack.us/i/wetworks04313.jpg/

has to be activated, you can't go back and say "oh he was doing it" after you learn I am making a psionic attack, Grail doesn't know Exodus, thus he doesn't know he is a psychic, and the "no prior knowledge rule" means there is no reason you would be using that power.

got it:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1448/newmutants075pg08.jpg

he mentions it, but there is no indication that he actually is immune, we don't see any of the pink stuff coming out of White Queen's head

Like what Inimalist is saying, we've been going back and forth, everything we have to say is not something haven't hear'd off before. So I'm just going to make this simple and short..

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Why Team Ambient Wins
short and Simple version.

But first a quick recap:

Inmalist Prep

Starhawks healing.

He aims to heal Exodus after greatly absorbing a good portion of his life energy in order to amp Giselle then expects him fighting at top form within minutes after. He fail's to realized that healing is far differ than what his aim, rejuvenation which he has not provided proof of this feat from Starhawk. The question really is: Is healing and rejuvenating one and the same? I would think that it is not but its up to you Judges to decide..

Exodus suppose Tk reassembling magi-tech into sci-tech ala cerebro enhancement mutant locator

This so called enhancement only allowed him to locate more mutants, it in no way showed greatly increasing his powerlevel, add this to the fact that we do not know if the material required in building said so cerebro unit can be found in magi-tech, two completely different form of technology. Very unlikely plausible scenario..

Giselle Vajra spell.

I think i've pointed out quite clearly what this spell drawback. They are going to require a life time of Gisselle's exp. in order for them to acquire what they need to accomplished. It'd be too much for Inimalist team to handle in a short time resulting in an overload of information.. If they so choice they'd be at great disadvantage once actual combat begins..

Giselle power level.

Thought i have not provided scans of supposed Giselle info regarding power level without the high presence of universal energies, i did provide two completely different sources that otherwise tells and support suppose power discrepancy when not in proximity to this form of energy..

My Prep

Symbiotes relation to technology

They merge with it just fine.. Grail's in complete control of the symbiote, all that need to be done is to allow Warlock access to the symbiote..

http://img256.imageshack.us/i/wetworkssourcebookocd22.jpg/

RT's power = Hyperbole?

Inmalist defense against my prep is to sway you (Judges) that the scans depicting on the RT's power = Star is only hyperbole coming from Stark. This is untrue, the evidence is right there from the words coming out of Reed Richard.. Really he expect to use and relate real science to comics as evidence against my prep phase??? I don't even know how to reply cept. that one is fact and the other is fiction and both governed by differents laws of science..

http://img204.imageshack.us/i/im2ww.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/im3v.jpg/

RT's Supernova

The reason my characters would be un-harm by the RT's supernova is that they are the cause and is the epicenter of the blast. As I mentioned in my prep, the Warlock armor interfaced, accessed and controlled by Grail. This armor in energy form houses the complete power of the RT's and is under the control of Grail. It would be an easy matter for him to release all that RT's energy in the form of a star going nova..

The Attack Phase

What I'm going to do with Starhawk?

Through prep my team gained 3 Ironman armor that was within the lab/factory; it's the Rescue armor, War-machine armor and the current bleeding edge armor all controlled by tony who is now part of Warlock since they've merge and to top that off this armors is infected with techno virus and stored within the newer version of RT's made during the prep, all connected with the armor itself via linkage cables.. This armors can switch between energy form and acts as defense against attacks from Inmalist team.. So not only does my characters have they're shields on (tony activated it at prep) but they also have 3 additional characters, they well serve to occupy or bring down Starhawk either before or after the supernova blast. Starhawk's speed isn't going to matter, all that RT's energy release is going to encompassed the whole Himalayas, there is no escape..

RT's Supernova

It really is clear that his got no way of defending against an explosion of this magnitude, saying Giselle shield have withstood physical blows from a so called gods isn't quite enough less a comparable feat is produce.. A lesser version of the Ironman armors have withstood blows against a God (Thor) but it does not equate it capable of withstanding a supernova..

Possibility of Inmalist team surviving the blast

He would like you (judges) to believed that my characters individually is less than there's, for now i'll go with that however i am quite positive that my prep phase is full proof and what I gained from it is more than adequate enough to handle any thing they could throw at.. My team have more than one Rt's at they're disposal, we can afford a few more of those Supernova blast, we outnumbered them and each of they're team members can easy fell from infection of techno or nano viruses..

Turning my construct into teddy bears?

Against the rules, "no offensive matter manipulation" i think. If not well my construct is infected with warlocks technode virus complete control over they're atomic structure so long as there is energy within the shells.. Ain't going to work..

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Conclusion

It seems that Inmalist conceded some of his major argument regarding his prep which practically tells us that he too question the plausibility of it all, he concentrated on the individuality power of each of his characters which he thinks is more than enough to take on the combined power and the power gained through prep of my character. He will find it's more than he can chew at, not only did i gain 3 additional characters through prep but also increase each of my characters limitation, this pretty much consign his defeat..

Sorry quick one.. Working tonight.. lol's

Originally posted by inimalist
I actually don't have that one...

That being said, Warlock has shown selective telepathic immunity to other enemies. Members of the New Mutants (Karma, Magik, the native one who I don't know) have either entered Warlock's mind, or had a psychic effect on him in some way, and Xavier clearly states that he could read Warlock's mind. Not only that, the Magus was twice taken down by psionics.

The majority of appearances would go to me.

"can't read a harddrive", not can't be hit by psionic bolts

has to be activated, you can't go back and say "oh he was doing it" after you learn I am making a psionic attack, Grail doesn't know Exodus, thus he doesn't know he is a psychic, and the "no prior knowledge rule" means there is no reason you would be using that power.

Warlock has an adaptive capabilities but really in this scenario it wouldn't matter since my amalgam is alike Grail..

It's just what i said TP wouldn't work on current IM and the shield is for; projectile and physical attacks..

This was the sole purpose of the scan right at the beginning of my ATTACK PHASE, to identify our opponent. Warlock and Ironman are quite familiar with Exodus.. This is how Grail would be quite prepare for psychic attacks..

Warlock scanning for biological signatures..

http://img13.imageshack.us/i/image2pq.jpg/
http://img208.imageshack.us/i/image3ve.jpg/

Here's some quick sketches of near end of my prep phase..

Warlock in the form of a dragon armor forming then accessing Grail's power..

those are pretty sick 🙂

<<--Will be judging Friday or Saturday.

Running internal monologue as I read through the match, as per my norm when I judge. Below aren't my only thoughts on the match, but they're the highlights. They are typed roughly chronologically as I scroll down, and may not always take into account information that I read later on in the match.

- Grail's an absolute beast, though Ambient's other picks give him a team that will give him a power gap to bridge in most matches in this tourney. They're built for prep though, so this isn't necessarily a problem.
- Ambient needs more proof of the "sun" claim in his OP.
- I'll side with Starhawk's precog from a philosophical standpoint, but not with the others on his team. I can't justify having Starhawk's memories counting toward precog for their own lives. So...I guess that's a compromise between the two stances, but it's the only one that makes sense to me.
- Is there a reason to believe that fanaticism enhances Exodus other than Cortez? I'm most of the way through page 1 and haven't seen it. Rhetorical, of course, but I'm dubious.
- Both of you, check your scans after you post them. A fair number not working, and I doubt they went bad in just a few days since they were posted. I viewed every scan I could, though, and don't feel as though it detracted from the match.
- inamilist shortchanged Tony some, particularly his reflexes are nothing to scoff at these days. I'm always hesitant to attribute constant combat speed to travel speed (though speedblitz-style attacks that don't involve subtlety or repetition are viable by this method). So while I'm ok giving at least Starhawk the speed edge, neither side would be running circles around the others.
- Kandy turned off precog. Lulz. I actually agree with the decision from a hosting perspective.
- I'll go ahead and say that Ambient probably has psi-defense all around. I wanted that to be a bigger deal, but inamilist kinda forgot about Exodus at times. Not a huge factor either way for me though.
- As the match progressed, a lot of the yes/no debates became a bit ancillary to my line of thinking, which was: has Ambient displayed the offense to take out a baseline inamilist (i.e. what I can confidently believe about inamilist's prep/team/etc.)? The nagging doubt persisted, and eventually became the biggest factor in my vote.
- Two words from Reed isn't a feat. Sorry Ambient, just keep that in the vault for future reference. Not too many judges will jump on board with something like that. Without solid showings out of your biggest offensive weapon, we're left with some speculation about Tony's ability (he has so many others, you didn't need to put all your eggs into that basket, or at least a lot of them) and Grail trying to solo with a little amp from Warlock.
- Ambient's tact that inamilist OHK'd himself with the memory transfer was a good one, and I probably would have believed a lot of it. But inamilist actually got a save from Kandy when he turned off all of Starhawk's past life memory stuff, making the OHK defense a bit moot. An amusing and ironic, if potentially heartbreaking, bout of luck for the both of you.
- BADASS drawings! Not the first time you've done such things, and they're always amazing. A shame I couldn't use them as a tiebreaker ( 😉 ).

I love Grail at almost any level (and am a Wetworks fan), and love Tony (though mostly at High Meta), but I think Ambient got a bit outclassed here in power level. Low Heralds can and have bathed in suns (not just Starhawk, though there aren't a ton of them), wrecked cities un-amped, etc. etc. A technomorph (albeit an impressive one) and a High Meta (albeit one of the best) can only do so much, even with their best showings.

Vote: inamilist

Good job to both.

Ok, here we go:

A lot of the prep on both sides seemed a bit sketchy to me, honestly. I don't believe Giselle's memory transfer with Starhawk and Exodus would grant either of them the competent spell casting abilities given the amount of time in the prep, and the scan of the interaction between Giselle and the demon makes me lean a bit into the camp that there could possibly be ill effects on Exodus at least (he is a super villain/fanatic, after all, and those transfers appear to be a two-way street). Then there's the draining and healing of Exodus's psionic powers going into the battle which apparently would have no effect on him for reasons unknown.

On the flip side, giant robot dragon armor made me laugh (I envisioned Warlock turning into the Dragonzord from Power Rangers since his character is a bit of a spazz). I saw no actual proof of the power output of the RTs being equivalent to a sun, and sorry, Reed getting a dumbfounded ice grill doesn't count as proof. Maybe nuclear reactor+, but equivalent to sun/dumping supernovas at will?

Come on bruh.

Inimalist's attacks and posts were a bit more organized and, for me at least, tended to not have me suspend my disbelief as much to buy into what was being.

Ambient. you have a lot of untapped potential in your roster homie. You have the right tools, just need more evidence to back up the plans more fully, and to flesh the plans out in a more structured manner. A lot of it seemed like reaching. Tighten that up and you can make a better showing next round.

Vote: inimalist

Originally posted by inimalist
those are pretty sick 🙂

Originally posted by Digi
- BADASS drawings! Not the first time you've done such things, and they're always amazing. A shame I couldn't use them as a tiebreaker ( 😉 ).

Originally posted by Digi
- Two words from Reed isn't a feat. Sorry Ambient, just keep that in the vault for future reference. Not too many judges will jump on board with something like that. Without solid showings out of your biggest offensive weapon, we're left with some speculation about Tony's ability (he has so many others, you didn't need to put all your eggs into that basket, or at least a lot of them) and Grail trying to solo with a little amp from Warlock.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ambient. you have a lot of untapped potential in your roster homie. You have the right tools, just need more evidence to back up the plans more fully, and to flesh the plans out in a more structured manner. A lot of it seemed like reaching. Tighten that up and you can make a better showing.

Alright! woohoo. Thanks to everyone, judges, Digi & Ill, thanks for the time and going through our crazy debate here. Ambient, a really well fought battle here, it could have gone either way 🙂

ya, almost tempted to retire now, undefeated in the BZ.

and this just in!

scenes from the Egyptian streets, after the crowds learned of victory for inimalist:

YouTube video

listen closely, they are saying inimalist 🙂