Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Since it came up in a few other threads concerning the Void/Sentry/etc.; he's not seen on panel as really using his Matter Manipulation aside from reforming himself. He doesn't match or shift energy signatures, he doesn't change the form of any matter, he doesn't create physical matter from energy or vice versa (unless someone can clear up him "creating his watchtower", which I'm still waiting upon), etc.Thus, the feat is dubious. Not because I "dislike it", which as I have mentioned I'm neutral on the matter, but because it's poorly defined and doesn't really come back up after the fact.
I'll also re-iterate that your behavior is honestly very childish and I would personally appreciate it if you would have the common courtesy to stick to the actual thread and not bog it down with pseudo-ego stroking and the like.
Originally posted by Mindset
So there's nothing dubious about it, you just don't like it.
Originally posted by bbrem123
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Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
The fight with Owen was dubious at best and his killing Loki wasn't Matter Manipulation though I'll need to go crack open Siege again to double check. And can anyone link me to when he built his Watchtower? Because anyone with superspeed and strength can pull that off, no Matter Manip needed.@Seven: Manhattan can also put himself back together. As he told Veidt, it was the first trick he learned.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's only dubious because you have the preconceived notion that he shouldn't be capable of those kinds of feats...
I've not said anything of the sort. I have asked for any evidence of him using his claimed Matter Manipulation abilities on panel and aside from his penchant to reform himself and the two mentioned examples (Loki's death and his watchtower; one which I'm looking up now and the other I'm waiting on clarification of), nothing has been presented.
If The Sentry, The Void or SiegeVoidtry has Matter Manipulation feats, please do present them and prove my standpoint wrong. Otherwise, it's a dubious feat.
Originally posted by Mindset
He used it against MM.You're welcome.
Except for the fact we're contesting the validity of that event in this specific conversation. And by themselves, assertions aren't evidence and don't prove one's side in a debate. I can claim that The Hulk wins any fight against anyone because he has a Golden Monkey god on his shoulder who makes him invincible or that Spider-man is stronger than Superman, but without actual, hard evidence (issue numbers, page scans, etc.), they're just assertions.
I just re-read Dark Avengers 11 and 12, where this actually happens. We see The Sentry pull himself back together, twice and we see him holding Owen in some kind of painful stasis before blowing him up. Aside from pulling himself back together none of that is apparently Matter Manipulation instead of, say, Bob's Energy Projection or Telepathic abilities.
Edit: I also just re-read Siege 4 and Voidtry rips Loki in half with his tendrils. The art could easily lead to the misconception that this wasn't the fact.