Lobo vs. Darkseid

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh okay. I misunderstood you. I thought you were -jockingly- claiming that he never got hit.

Meh, depends on how you view JLA/Avengers. I even have interviews saved on my PC somewhere of the writers confirming it as a semi continuity tale that was cannon. Which was evident by the amalgam character appearing in respective titles and nods (Green Lantern where Surfer was referenced; Captain Marvel referencing Thor; She-Hulk IIRC) etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
DC/Marvel isn't canon. It's essentially just a 4 issue fan-fic. JLA/Avengers IS canon, though (to DC at least.)

Why would JLA/Avengers be more cannon than DC vs. Marvel?

It was outright said to be cannon -I can get you the interviews by like tomorrow if you like- and was actually referenced by both companies.

I doubt JLA/Avengers was ever intended to be cannon for either Universes. I remember Busiek joking about it being in the twinky -or something- Universe back on Avaro I believe. In my opinion? DC gave it the green light near the end.

I can ask him directly though later.

I like JLA/Avengers more -barring the knockout for Thor- but this is the conclusion I've come to based on the evidence I've seen.

The matches were decided by fan votes.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would JLA/Avengers be more cannon than DC vs. Marvel?

Originally posted by Galan007
Because events pertaining to JLA/Avengers have been referenced in other issues. For instance, Metron was shown monitoring the Cosmic Egg Krona imploded into way back in JLA #114. That was also one of the main plot-points in Trinity.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
But if it is canon to DC and not to Marvel, then we can't really say that 616 Thor got his ass beaten by Supes. Just someone who looked like him.

Heck, to my knowledge the only Marvel/DC crossover that is canon to both companies is the Silver Surfer/Superman issue -- as events from it were referenced in an OHOTMU bio.

Originally posted by Galan007
Because events pertaining to JLA/Avengers have been referenced in other issues. For instance, Metron was shown monitoring the Cosmic Egg Krona imploded into way back in JLA #114. That was also one of the main plot-points in Trinity.

Okay, so? Like I said, DC vs. Marvel was clearly referenced in both companies and was stated to be cannon. The Amalgam character created in the crossover appeared in both companies even, no?

Like I said, I think DC just gave the green light near the end which was intended to be Busiek's take on the two Universes. IIRC, he even kept his original Avenger's roster instead of the one currently -at that point in time- at Marvel because he thought it'd be funner and such.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The matches were decided by fan votes.

Some were, so? The only fight I had a real problem with was Namor vs. Aquaman and I don't even think that was fan voted.

It's canon for DC, but not for Marvel.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Some were, so? The only fight I had a real problem with was Namor vs. Aquaman and I don't even think that was fan voted.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Then
Wolverine > Lobo
Venom > Superman & Spider-man
Spider-man > Superboy

Not that I would have a prob with the last 2.

EDIT: Also Venom > Flash

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Some were, so? The only fight I had a real problem with was Namor vs. Aquaman and I don't even think that was fan voted.

You had no problem with Wolverine beating Lobo?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, so? Like I said, DC vs. Marvel was clearly referenced in both companies and was stated to be cannon. The Amalgam character created in the crossover appeared in both companies even, no?

Like I said, I think DC just gave the green light near the end which was intended to be Busiek's take on the two Universes. IIRC, he even kept his original Avenger's roster instead of the one currently at Marvel because he thought it'd be funner and such.

At least events from JLA/Avengers have been referenced several times since it was published.

Didn't Batman own Lobo?

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Batman own Lobo?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Your point?

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh, you're the only person I've ever seen argue the canonicity of DC vs. Marvel. If you have interviews which state it is canon, then post 'em -- I have personally never regarded it as such, though. I mean, Wolvie owning Lobo? Give me a break.

At least events from JLA/Avengers have been referenced several times since it was published.

On this board? Probably.

It was a fan voted fight, who cares? Just right it off as a low showing like his others like Batman IIRC. I personally have no problem with almost all of the shit shown. Liked Hulk vs. Superman and everything else except Namor's defeat.

Already told you.

I'll post the interviews tomorrow, or the day after. PM you.

ROE is an honest guy, I believe him.

Cool beans.

But if you want this to be regarded as canon on the forum (good luck) then you'll have to take it up with the mods.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Then
Wolverine > Lobo
Venom > Superman & Spider-man
Spider-man > Superboy

Not that I would have a prob with the last 2.

EDIT: Also Venom > Flash

Addressed Lobo. Wasn't

I was fine with that. IIRC, he beat Superboy using his brains and electricity. It's been nearly 5 years since I read Young Justice or his solo series but as I recall, it's acceptable. But like all fan voted fights, I don't hold them in high regard.

Wasn't the Venom fight a separate story? IIRC, Jurgen was just incredibly inconsistent after the main event. I remember other problems with Spider-Man villains, IIRC Scorpion.

Originally posted by Mindset
ROE is an honest guy, I believe him.

ROE sounds cool. I'd like to meet him.