Silver Surfer vs Superman Contest

Originally posted by -Pr-
femto-second is in keeping with his other feats, though.

oh, i agree. didn't mean to imply otherwise. i only brought it up as a comparison for ss. as far as evidence shows, IM>ss in terms of reaction/processing. i don't think there can be much disagreement in terms of evidence. the problem comes from extrapolating from that evidence. we KNOW how fast superman is. we DON'T know how fast ss is capable of being. we can only infer how fast. that's a slippery slope and leads to questions like--can supes punch faster than galactus??? a ridiculous question.

again, on evidence clearly superman. but i don't think it unreasonable to claim that the ss could likely match him if he were pressed to.

and........ nothing to say about the fish??? i LOVE that smilie.... 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, i agree. didn't mean to imply otherwise. i only brought it up as a comparison for ss. as far as evidence shows, IM>ss in terms of reaction/processing. i don't think there can be much disagreement in terms of evidence. the problem comes from extrapolating from that evidence. we KNOW how fast superman is. we DON'T know how fast ss is capable of being. we can only infer how fast. that's a slippery slope and leads to questions like--can supes punch faster than galactus??? a ridiculous question.

again, on evidence clearly superman. but i don't think it unreasonable to claim that the ss could likely match him if he were pressed to.

and........ nothing to say about the fish??? i LOVE that smilie.... 🙁

he could compete, yes.

and your common sense thing distracted me from the fish.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he could compete, yes.

and your common sense thing distracted me from the fish.

common sense in the forum CAN be rather distracting. fortunately it doesn't rear its ugly head all that often....

Originally posted by leonidas
common sense in the forum CAN be rather distracting. fortunately it doesn't rear its ugly head all that often....

i just honestly didn't understand what context you were using it in. or were you talking about the whole "they're both ultra quick heralds so should generally be on a comparable level" thing?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i just honestly didn't understand what context you were using it in. or were you talking about the whole "they're both ultra quick heralds so should generally be on a comparable level" thing?

if you're talking about the IM bit, i brought it up to show that even a non-heralder can have feats that are extreme. i'd think most would say ss>IM in regards to speed, but IM has feats that ss doesn't. i know i don't have to tell YOU of all people that feats can't be the be-all/end-all. i think if the feats are suitably far apart they can be VERY telling. in this case though, given what he is and what he's shown capable of, even though he may not match kal in feats, i think it not unreasonable to say ss could match him if he had too. if asked to back it up though, it would be a very difficult thing to prove because it has more to do with ss as a character in totality than any individual feat per se.

hrm. THAT was easy to explain. 😐

ps--you type really fast. 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
if you're talking about the IM bit, i brought it up to show that even a non-heralder can have feats that are extreme. i'd think most would say ss>IM in regards to speed, but IM has feats that ss doesn't. i know i don't have to tell YOU of all people that feats can't be the be-all/end-all. i think if the feats are suitably far apart they can be VERY telling. in this case though, given what he is and what he's shown capable of, even though he may not match kal in feats, i think it not unreasonable to say ss could match him if he had too. if asked to back it up though, it would be a very difficult thing to prove because it has more to do with ss as a character in totality than any individual feat per se.

hrm. THAT was easy to explain. 😐

😂

ah.

Originally posted by leonidas
ps--you type really fast. 😐

i do.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
I was just showing those low showings in response to the SS low balling that someone else posted.

So, basically, by what you just said, Superman can punch faster than Galactus, correct?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Wow. Resorting to lowballing. How about we start showing Superman getting surprised?

His speed isn't too impressive when he is hit again by a human in a robot suit.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/747/actioncomics826page20ly2.jpg

Can't dodge this either:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4500/actioncomics827page19xf2.jpg

Taken by surprise:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9912/actioncomics827page21cf4.jpg

Again, his speed doesn't look too impressive:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2954/actioncomics828page12sa8.jpg

Knocked out by HAWKMAN:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/699/sb0419hv4.jpg

Hit by a laser:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6083/supermanbatman3pg07sl7.jpg

Caught off guard again:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8751/supermanbatman3pg16lt9.jpg

and again:

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6182/actioncomics77917tc6.jpg

And again:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4339/supermanbatman022page13dc9.jpg

AND AGAIN:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8983/supermanbatman001pg09vd0.jpg

SO much for faster than a speeding bullet:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7156/supermanbatman001pg15ab6.jpg

Originally posted by keiththegreat
I was just showing those low showings in response to the SS low balling that someone else posted.

So, basically, by what you just said, Superman can punch faster than Galactus, correct?

Wow you'd actually argue that a cosmic giant like Galactus has need for speedy hands? Surely even if he's propelling his hands at light speed, it paints a ridiculous picture. 😛

A thread with Surfer and Superman is pretty much an invitation for those who think Surfer beats Supes at everything.

Originally posted by Bentley
Surfer beats Supes at everything.

Originally posted by janus77
it's in the Marvel OHOTMU ✅

😂

Originally posted by leonidas
ps--you type really fast. 😐

Random adition to your comment Leo. Quasar just got a nanosecond reaction feats too and people don't think him faster than Surfer.

Originally posted by leonidas
based on common sense? i'd say ss could likely do more. maybe...

Because common sense says that the person with the more consistent, impressive and clear-cut showings of high speed, and also a status as the fastest non-Flash/Zoom character in his universe vastly outclasses a character whose speed is mostly made out of hyperbolic statements or ambiguous feats, and who has, on-panel, been outclassed by veritable speedsters like the Runner.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not sure where this "common sense" comes from, unless you leeched it from some of the brightest posters on this forum.

heh rules out anything i read in your posts, then.

Because common sense says that the person with the more consistent, impressive and clear-cut showings of high speed, and also a status as the fastest non-Flash/Zoom character in his universe vastly outclasses a character whose speed is mostly made out of hyperbolic statements or ambiguous feats, and who has, on-panel, been outclassed by veritable speedsters like the Runner.

not going to bother getting into a speed feat contest. i've done it before and as i've already said kal has more feats. however, ss has enough of them to indicate he can move and react at levels that call into question this contest. they're different characters. i wouldn't expect to find a superspeed pummeling feat from ss. doesn't mean he's incapable of it. and as far as 'status'? you're somehow claiming to be a bastion of common sense then use something as ambiguous as 'status' as a factor? ss is widely known to be among the fastest beings in marvel. so? 'status' won't get you very far i'm afraid.

and.... are you claiming kal has never been outclassed by 'veritable speedsters'...? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree...

Supes is a lot faster imo. Surfer flight speed is faster but supermans reflexes and body movement is faster.

I could picture Supes blitzing Surfer.

Superman still clearly wins.

Surfer can fly at trans light speeds, maneuver at trans light speeds, heck even blast shit at trans light speeds but then again, so can Thor. In the comic book world Surfer/Thor like characters simply aren't treated as true combat speedsters like Superman and other flying bricks of his ilk. It's sad and a bit inane but it's also the truth.

Surfer would be able to tag Superman, or even mount an effective defense against Superman's speed but he won't be winning or matching Superman in this specific contest in my opinion.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not sure where this "common sense" comes from, unless you leeched it from some of the brightest posters on this forum.

Because common sense says that the person with the more consistent, impressive and clear-cut showings of high speed, and also a status as the fastest non-Flash/Zoom character in his universe vastly outclasses a character whose speed is mostly made out of hyperbolic statements or ambiguous feats, and who has, on-panel, been outclassed by veritable speedsters like the Runner.

Wise Words

Originally posted by leonidas
heh rules out anything i read in your posts, then.

Originally posted by leonidas
not going to bother getting into a speed feat contest. i've done it before and as i've already said kal has more feats. however, ss has enough of them to indicate he can move and react at levels that call into question this contest.

If you have anything - and I mean anything substantial to actually back your trollish/insulting comment - and no, that's not an insult - what you did was saying that "common sense" dictates what is your unbacked, biased opinion and thus those like me, who disagree with it, don't have common sense - then I'm here to shut it down. Otherwise, don't bother.

Originally posted by leonidas
you're somehow claiming to be a bastion of common sense then use something as ambiguous as 'status' as a factor? ss is widely known to be among the fastest beings in marvel. so? 'status' won't get you very far i'm afraid.

Third grade explination mode activated.

The status argument was in order to support the ideea of consistency in speed portrayals - which is, to say, Superman has and is regarded as the primary non Flash/Zoom speedster in the DCU history-wide. Why is this important? Because the majority of writers don't portray Surfer having combat speed, much less Superman level. It's why probably the most popular Surfer speed feat that's always brought up as him being a top speedster - the nanosecond one, is from a relativly obscure short story from a Marvel Comics Presents story from a no-name writer. Consistency in portrayals, and not cherry picking what you like, no matter the comic.

Silly me, that's not in line with "common sense", is it leo?

And no, Surfer has never been portrayed as one of the top speedsters in comics. Flying wise, yes, but that's irrelevant. When it comes to combat speed, like I said, he's been outclassed by Runner which gets me to..

Originally posted by leonidas
and.... are you claiming kal has never been outclassed by 'veritable speedsters'...? 😖hifty:

Yes, he has by the likes of Zoom. But if you've read the comics and not go by forum hype, Runner is, at best, on the same level as Superman in terms of combat speed. And I'm being very, very generous here. And that guy completly outclassed Surfer.

But no, direct comparisons aren't the way to go. Neither are feats. Neither is history or consistency. I'll just go with "common sense". Yeah, that's it.

As much as I prefer SS over Superman.I don't see him winning in a contest of who can throw more punches in a sec since there's no evidence that SS can throw multiple punches in a sec.If Surfer was portrayed moving his arms ala DBZ in a Ki blast action, then maybe that can be taken as evidence that he can throw multiple punches in a sec.SS has a better chance of beating Superman in a fight.But in a who can throw more punches contest, Superman dominates this.

So Superman wins this.