Originally posted by Sirius77They said he was unkillable and life loosened it's hold on the cancerverse when Mar-vell died. Please read the comics before spouting this nonsense.
How do you know? He was in the cancerverse. Also, again, Mistress death abandoned him. Again. How do you know he's still the avatar of death?
Originally posted by zopzop
LOL sorry.In all seriousness he's not a bad poster just gets confused sometimes. Hell that happens to all of us especially if we aren't discussing our favorite characters.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Look I don't read much thor. I just read through the box and if I see a comic that looks good I get it. Whatever context is get is from that comic and that comic alone.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That is fine.. but Carver was acting like Trion would simply solo.. when in fact he wouldn't even touch these two if they didn't want him to was my point.
And before you come back with anything regarding Trions strength, this punch would outright kill Thanos and again, this was trion at his weakest. Thanos has never dealt with a punch of that magnitude. One of the strongest punches in MU.
Then this IS Trion that was still growing in power.
Shattering reality.
This is the icing on the cake... Thor has hit Thanos light years away with a hammer toss and he has also had Thanos on the ground face down before and its pretty obvious that Thor can harm Thanos if it came down to it. Lets look at his showing against Juggernaut that was on the brink of becoming Trion (not even close to that kind of power yet). Thanos has never done Thor like this and never will.
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-12.jpg
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Originally posted by carver9Thanos took on a superior Thor for sheer sport. Thor iirc was also weakened at the time of these scans.
This is the icing on the cake... Thor has hit Thanos light years away with a hammer toss and he has also had Thanos on the ground face down before and its pretty obvious that Thor can harm Thanos if it came down to it. Lets look at his showing against Juggernaut that was on the brink of becoming Trion (not even close to that kind of power yet). Thanos has never done Thor like this and never will.http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-12.jpg
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-13.jpg
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-14.jpg
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-15.jpg
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-20.jpg
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/8th%20Day/?action=view¤t=Thor_vol2-519-017-21.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos took on a superior Thor for sheer sport. Thor iirc was also weakened at the time of these scans.
Thor wasnt weakened during that Arc. Prove that he was weakened. There was nothing stated that Thor was weakened any time during or before this fight.
Dont change the argument... we KNOW that Thor can harm Thanos if it came down to it, this feat alone proves that this version of Juggernaut is FAR superior to Thanos and this isnt even a piece of what Trions durability is/was.
Originally posted by carver9
And before you come back with anything regarding Trions strength, this punch would outright kill Thanos and again, this was trion at his weakest. Thanos has never dealt with a punch of that magnitude. One of the strongest punches in MU.Then this IS Trion that was still growing in power.
Shattering reality.
I don't agree with this reasoning at all. "Reality-punching" and similar feats appear in comics with almost criminal frequency. Vector, who is mid-herald, can repel reality for chrissakes. Any day now Luke Cage will get a reality punching feat of his own, mark my words. Trion lacks sufficient combat feats for us to gauge his real strength -- to assume that he can one-shot Thanos is fatuous. That said, it will take the first three characters a while to put Thanos down, which puts Tyrant in a fight against all the others, of whom only Onslaught and potentially Trion represent possible threats (I am sorry about what DS has become) — once he gets serious, Tyrant's energy blasts will make short work of the others. From that point I have no idea at all what direction things would take, since there's no real evidence of how strong Trion is. Overall, though, my money is on team 2.
Originally posted by Simbon
I don't agree with this reasoning at all. "Reality-punching" and similar feats appear in comics with almost criminal frequency. Vector, who is mid-herald, can repel reality for chrissakes. Any day now Luke Cage will get a reality punching feat of his own, mark my words. Trion lacks sufficient combat feats for us to gauge his real strength -- to assume that he can one-shot Thanos is fatuous. That said, it will take the first three characters a while to put Thanos down, which puts Tyrant in a fight against all the others, of whom only Onslaught and potentially Trion represent possible threats (I am sorry about what DS has become) — once he gets serious, Tyrant's energy blasts will make short work of the others. From that point I have no idea at all what direction things would take, since there's no real evidence of how strong Trion is. Overall, though, my money is on team 2.
Don't the lasso, tiara, and sword of Hephaestus figure into this? They are all one shot weapons, no?
Originally posted by Simbon
I don't agree with this reasoning at all. "Reality-punching" and similar feats appear in comics with almost criminal frequency. Vector, who is mid-herald, can repel reality for chrissakes. Any day now Luke Cage will get a reality punching feat of his own, mark my words. Trion lacks sufficient combat feats for us to gauge his real strength -- to assume that he can one-shot Thanos is fatuous. That said, it will take the first three characters a while to put Thanos down, which puts Tyrant in a fight against all the others, of whom only Onslaught and potentially Trion represent possible threats (I am sorry about what DS has become) — once he gets serious, Tyrant's energy blasts will make short work of the others. From that point I have no idea at all what direction things would take, since there's no real evidence of how strong Trion is. Overall, though, my money is on team 2.
Punching and blasting are two different things. If someone punched at the air so hard that it created a black hole, that would be far more impressive than someone conjuring up one (not saying trion created a black hole... giving examples).
Show me some reality punching feats similar to what I just showed you. By the way, he wasn't punching just through realities, he was also busting through time streams. Thanos isn't taking a punch of that magnitude. He will get more than a nose bleed (pg thor) facing a punch of that caliber, his body will explode.
Again, thoswe were the most destructive punches in mu and trion wasn't even at a percentage of his true power while doing this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They said he was unkillable and life loosened it's hold on the cancerverse when Mar-vell died. Please read the comics before spouting this nonsense.
Yeah they did say he was unkillable. He was also in the cancerverse 😬
Mar-Vell died because death killed him, not thanos.
Originally posted by carver9
Punching and blasting are two different things. If someone punched at the air so hard that it created a black hole, that would be far more impressive than someone conjuring up one (not saying trion created a black hole... giving examples).Show me some reality punching feats similar to what I just showed you. By the way, he wasn't punching just through realities, he was also busting through time streams. Thanos isn't taking a punch of that magnitude. He will get more than a nose bleed (pg thor) facing a punch of that caliber, his body will explode.
Again, thoswe were the most destructive punches in mu and trion wasn't even at a percentage of his true power while doing this.
It's true that punching is different from blasting, and that Trion's feat is the most impressive of its nature in the MU, even though we have seen Thor shatter a part of reality w/ mjolnir, she-ulk punch at reality, hulk hold apart universes, vector repel reality, etc. (DC, of course, has a lot of these as well). My point still stands — reality and its ilk are soft in comic-book universes. Thor can "damage reality" with a mjolnir strike, but mjolnir would be totally impotent against an opponent like Tyrant. Without real combat feats from Trion we simply cannot gauge his ranking in a fight, apart from a vague, and not very useful observation that he is really friggin buff. To put it in perspective, if the High evolutionary suddenly did some experiment on Wolverine, whereby he became all hulked out and had a shiny energy aura, and he performed just one feat in which he used his claws, now shaprer than ever, to cut a door into another dimension, this would not actually give us enough information to determine how he would stack up against Odin. Similarly, if Gladiator were amped by some amp, lets call it the Supes-Force, and he then used his heat vision to patch up a hole to the negative zone, we wouldn't know how effective said amp would be against Zeus. We need more info.
Originally posted by BobbyD
No one wants to entertain my question? 🙁
The lasso is a factor, but only if team one aren't aware of its powers, otherwise I suspect they will avoid it. If they don't avoid it, both are so arrogant (not without reason) that it could be a very powerful weapon.
As for the sword, Tyrant would treat it the way Gog did, and Thanos is a skilled-enough hand to hand fighter that it wont be an issue.
Originally posted by Simbon
It's true that punching is different from blasting, and that Trion's feat is the most impressive of its nature in the MU, even though we have seen Thor shatter a part of reality w/ mjolnir, she-ulk punch at reality, hulk hold apart universes, vector repel reality, etc. (DC, of course, has a lot of these as well). My point still stands — reality and its ilk are soft in comic-book universes. Thor can "damage reality" with a mjolnir strike, but mjolnir would be totally impotent against an opponent like Tyrant. Without real combat feats from Trion we simply cannot gauge his ranking in a fight, apart from a vague, and not very useful observation that he is really friggin buff. To put it in perspective, if the High evolutionary suddenly did some experiment on Wolverine, whereby he became all hulked out and had a shiny energy aura, and he performed just one feat in which he used his claws, now shaprer than ever, to cut a door into another dimension, this would not actually give us enough information to determine how he would stack up against Odin. Similarly, if Gladiator were amped by some amp, lets call it the Supes-Force, and he then used his heat vision to patch up a hole to the negative zone, we wouldn't know how effective said amp would be against Zeus. We need more info.
We already have a guage of trion/juggernaut power. Before going trion mode juggernaut with his small amp ran through thor like he was nothing. None of thors hammer strike did nothing to juggernaut, didn't even make him flinch... he basically didn't feel it. After koing thor, he fought 8 exemplers that were equal to thor in power. He STOMPED all 8 of them (all of them had high herald level power).
So all in all before juggernaut even went trion mode he was ripping through high heralds... then he amped to trion mode and punched through reality/time streams with ease. He was pulling the same type of feats tyrant pulled before even getting to his prime.
They never faced punches anything close to this and again, thanos would be paste from this punch and tyrant would get rocked as well.
Originally posted by carver9
We already have a guage of trion/juggernaut power. Before going trion mode juggernaut with his small amp ran through thor like he was nothing. None of thors hammer strike did nothing to juggernaut, didn't even make him flinch... he basically didn't feel it. After koing thor, he fought 8 exemplers that were equal to thor in power. He STOMPED all 8 of them (all of them had high herald level power).So all in all before juggernaut even went trion mode he was ripping through high heralds... then he amped to trion mode and punched through reality/time streams with ease. He was pulling the same type of feats tyrant pulled before even getting to his prime.
They never faced punches anything close to this and again, thanos would be paste from this punch and tyrant would get rocked as well.
The exemplars do not have feats putting them at high-herald level, IMO, and Cain's durability is not in question here. I am still unpersuaded that we have enough info to gauge Trion's damage output against the likes of Thanos and Tyrant. I think we will have to be satisfied with disagreeing on this point.
Originally posted by Simbon
The exemplars do not have feats putting them at high-herald level, IMO, and Cain's durability is not in question here. I am still unpersuaded that we have enough info to gauge Trion's damage output against the likes of Thanos and Tyrant. I think we will have to be satisfied with disagreeing on this point.
It was stated on panel that they were equal to thor... that should be enough proof.
We already know trions damage output, at his weakest he was far stronger than thor... at a percentage of his power his mere punches was shattering reality and busting through time streams... at his strongest it was stated that his mere punches was a threat to all of reality.
His durability was enough to walk through everything thor threw at him without suffering a scratch ot showing pain.
Physically he would wreck tyrant or thanos and powerwise, they can't drop him.
Carver you're not understanding a very basic concept... Trion won't be able to touch Thanos or Tyrant if they don't want him to. For teleportation and matter manipulation during combat.. see the Omega vs. Thanos fight or see Thanos teleport The Champion when he paid Thanos a visit. He has done it and would do so again in this situation. While Trion is running around trying to find someone to hit.. the team gets wrecked by Thanos and Tyrant.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Carver you're not understanding a very basic concept... Trion won't be able to touch Thanos or Tyrant if they don't want him to. For teleportation and matter manipulation during combat.. see the Omega vs. Thanos fight or see Thanos teleport The Champion when he paid Thanos a visit. He has done it and would do so again in this situation. While Trion is running around trying to find someone to hit.. the team gets wrecked by Thanos and Tyrant.
That's why I asked you before, if you can show me them teleporting around the battle field nightcrawler fashion then you would have an argument. Teleporting to get to a location is completely different than teleporting during combat.
