Originally posted by Allankles
Hasn't Barda been considered an equal to WW as far combat ability goes? Never read the encyclopedia but hasn't she dueled Wonder Woman to a draw? If that's the case then she is above Namor.
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Originally posted by dawsey28
Wonder Woman vs Big Barda (Mr.Miracle #6)
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Originally posted by Desaad
She's certainly been portrayed as on Diana's level in hand to hand combat, without her armor.Her armor increases her strength and durability, and her Mega Rod is enough to knock out Byrne Superman with a single hit -- I wouldn't rate Namor's durability above that of Byrne Superman.
Has she? I remember them having a fight a while back where they toe to toe with Diana coming out on top but it's been a few months. Of all the characters I -use to- read, my memory is the foggiest when it comes to Diana. The mediocrity is off putting.
Action Comics #592 right? She was shown blasting him for two panels, so it could have been one sustained blast, or repeated blasts. But yea, he was taken out. I'd call it a low showing for Clark though. That along with being one shotted by the Astro Force (Although the latter is more believable)
Either way, this is purely hand to hand.
Edit: Mungi posted the scans. Barda held her own. Nothing I'd place on par or above Namor. His held his own against Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Black Bolt, etc. in hand to hand.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Has she? I remember them having a fight a while back where Diana came out on top but it's been a few months. Of all the characters I -use to- read, my memory is the foggiest when it comes to Diana. The mediocrity is off putting.
Yes. They were even for quite awhile until Diana started flying.
WW One Million also had some issues with Barda's strength.
To the thread starter, by pure h2h, do you mean no gear for either? Just making sure.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes. They were even for quite awhile until Diana started flying.WW One Million also had some issues with Barda's strength.
I don't even Namor has any notable skill feats but she didn't show anything physically there that Namor hasn't matched and surpassed.
Cool.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Has she? I remember them having a fight a while back where they toe to toe with Diana coming out on top but it's been a few months. Of all the characters I -use to- read, my memory is the foggiest when it comes to Diana. The mediocrity is off putting.Action Comics #592 right? She was shown blasting him for two panels, so it could have been one sustained blast, or repeated blasts. But yea, he was taken out. I'd call it a low showing for Clark though. That along with being one shotted by the Astro Force (Although the latter is more believable)
Actually, Action 586 (the Astro Force encounter) never had Superman shot by Astro Force. Orion had to aim AROUND him, with 'surgical precision', because he was afraid that a single direct hit would kill him instantly.
Either way, this is purely hand to hand.Edit: Mungi posted the scans. Barda held her own. Nothing I'd place on par or above Namor. His held his own against Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Black Bolt, etc. in hand to hand.
She clearly proved herself in the same league in terms of strength, skill, durability, etc with that fight. I'd be the first to admit that Diana was/is slightly ahead of her in every way but skill, but if she's wearing her armor and she's got her rod she more than makes up for it.
Obviously I didn't realize this was just hand to hand, and I'd give Namor the edge I guess because I do see a fully hydrated Namor as physically superior, but Barda has gone toe to toe with DC's Thor and Lobo, has stalemated (essentially) Wonder Woman in hand to hand without any of her standard equipment, and has taken out Superman and Supergirl with her mega rod quite handily. I don't see her as anythign below a solid mid level top tier in overall formidability, when she's fully unleashed.
Originally posted by Desaad
Actually, Action 586 (the Astro Force encounter) never had Superman shot by Astro Force. Orion had to aim AROUND him, with 'surgical precision', because he was afraid that a single direct hit would kill him instantly.
It was that bad? Huh. New God energy attacks were very effective against Superman in that arc as I recall. Then he went on to withstand the Omega Beams -he was definitely going to feel the pain in the morning though- a bit weird. *Shrugs* I don't have the issue on hand.
Originally posted by Desaad
She clearly proved herself in the same league in terms of strength, skill, durability, etc with that fight. I'd be the first to admit that Diana was/is slightly ahead of her in every way but skill, but if she's wearing her armor and she's got her rod she more than makes up for it.Obviously I didn't realize this was just hand to hand, and I'd give Namor the edge I guess because I do see a fully hydrated Namor as physically superior, but Barda has gone toe to toe with DC's Thor and Lobo, has stalemated (essentially) Wonder Woman in hand to hand without any of her standard equipment, and has taken out Superman and Supergirl with her mega rod quite handily. I don't see her as anythign below a solid mid level top tier in overall formidability, when she's fully unleashed.
Has DC's Thor done anything impressive? Curious because I only saw him in the Superman/Diana 1000 years arc.
Stalemating Lobo is impressive -never heard of this actually- but it depends on what level he was portrayed at. As you know, his a fluctuating character.
I think she'd take Namor fully geared up and fighting smart.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]It was that bad? Huh. New God energy attacks were very effective against Superman in that arc as I recall. Then he went on to withstand the Omega Beams -he was definitely going to feel the pain in the morning though- a bit weird. *Shrugs* I don't have the issue on hand.
Well, if you read the issue carefully you'll see that (under Byrne), getting hit by his Omega Effect essentially exhausted the capacity -- it was a one time deal, I guess. He then goes on to say he has 'other' options at his command, and hits him with more eye beams, but Byrne appeared to be making a distinction there.
It's all irrelevant since it was later retconned into being Desaad, I suppose, but even Byrne wasn't trying to say that Superman could survive the Omega Effect -- he made it quite clear that only Darkseid, whose body contained the energies, could do so.
Has DC's Thor done anything impressive? Curious because I only saw him in the Superman/Diana 1000 years arc.
To the best of my knowledge we haven't gotten a lot of exposure to DC's Thor. As you say, he appeared in the Superman arc, and this one. In JK4W he was specifically summoned as a replacement for Orion and a counter to Darkseid. Tigra, who was part of his summoning, believed that he had the power to take on Darkseid. In terms of verifiable feats, though, he only broke through a supposedly impenetrable energy wall and fought Barda to a standstill, before being taken out by the then God-powered Mister Miracle (who himself was, seemingly, at skyfather level, given that his powers were later capable of powering up the powerless Wizard Shazam to his skyfather level)
Originally posted by Desaad
Well, if you read the issue carefully you'll see that (under Byrne), getting hit by his Omega Effect essentially exhausted the capacity -- it was a one time deal, I guess. He then goes on to say he has 'other' options at his command, and hits him with more eye beams, but Byrne appeared to be making a distinction there.It's all irrelevant since it was later retconned into being Desaad, I suppose, but even Byrne wasn't trying to say that Superman could survive the Omega Effect -- he made it quite clear that only Darkseid, whose body contained the energies, could do so.
I was referring to the Superman Confidential mini and not Byrne's fight.
Originally posted by Desaad
To the best of my knowledge we haven't gotten a lot of exposure to DC's Thor. As you say, he appeared in the Superman arc, and this one. In JK4W he was specifically summoned as a replacement for Orion and a counter to Darkseid. Tigra, who was part of his summoning, believed that he had the power to take on Darkseid. In terms of verifiable feats, though, he only broke through a supposedly impenetrable energy wall and fought Barda to a standstill, before being taken out by the then God-powered Mister Miracle (who himself was, seemingly, at skyfather level, given that his powers were later capable of powering up the powerless Wizard Shazam to his skyfather level)
Iight. Thanks.
