Usually we see only Sith wielding those sick powers. Never Jedi. Besides, we all know that introducing Starkiller to EU crippled EU itself. Sooner or later Tales Of The Jedi will be taken out of canon or will be radically changed, because of funny understanding of the force and technology. As for Jedi force powers in the comics - we rarely see anything beside force push and mind tricks. It's the Sith they make too strong.
I disagree about force lightning being the ultimate force power. There must be other non-aggressive force powers that have personal impact of force-wielder. But nothing like flying and other crap.
Originally posted by Lucius
When you get down to it, SW is fantasy in space. You can take just about any element in SW and find its equivalent in standard fantasy.Force = Magic
Dark Side = Black Magic
Sith = Evil Overlords
Jedi = Good Wizards- Planets effectively function as your standard fantasy kingdom or empire, just with fancy magical tech.
- Military tactics in SW consist of large groups of soldiers rushing at each other, same as in most fantasy.
- Epic scope, good vs evil, huge galaxy/world shifting battles.
I could go on, but SW has never been strongly science fiction. I mean, I could recreate the entire story of the PT in a fantasy setting and aside from some superficial differences in numbers and technology, you wouldn't know the difference.
Agreed, though SW is best described as science-fantasy.
Just look at it that way:
Typical fantasy: LOTR
Typical science-fiction: Star Trek
Blend of both: Star Wars
Btw. IMHO the best example of science fantasy in YA literature would be Celia Friedman's The Coldfire Trilogy, where magic is given scientific background.
Sth akin to how midichlorians work for the force.
Do I consider the Ewoks cartoon as quality - well, I'm an animator - so when "I" see it - yeah, it's quality. Do the stories entertain me? I'd say yes AND no. The fact is, magic was placed in Star Wars by the man himself in the 80s. I don't see how that diminishes the effect or the strength of the Force.
So someone can put together potions and cast spells like Harry Potter, big deal. It's like the world of Willow clashes with Star Wars. The Force against magic...how is that not a cool concept?
All that EU crap post ROTJ is insane. Chewie's dead, cloned Emperor...Lucas himself said all that isn't his Star Wars anyway, right?
Blowing up planets with thoughts and ripping apart galaxies...that's people getting paid to pull crap outta their ass and put Star Wars in the title. That ain't Lucas. Boba Fett and Jango being Mandalorians...that ain't Lucas, either.
Lucas put magic in Star Wars, not the EU. The Clone Wars cartoon uses magic - and it's sacriledge?!
Star Wars "fans" rule.
Again:
"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff - but I've never seen ANYTHING to make me believe that there's ONE all-powerful Force controlling EVERYTHING. No mystical energy field controls MY destiny. It's all simple tricks and nonsense."
"Good against remotes is one thing - good against the living...that's something else."
Originally posted by Anakin_the_HuttThe validity of the inclusion of magic isn't in dispute, nor is whether Lucas was involved or not.
Do I consider the Ewoks cartoon as quality - well, I'm an animator - so when "I" see it - yeah, it's quality. Do the stories entertain me? I'd say yes AND no. The fact is, magic was placed in Star Wars by the man himself in the 80s. I don't see how that diminishes the effect or the strength of the Force.So someone can put together potions and cast spells like Harry Potter, big deal. It's like the world of Willow clashes with Star Wars. The Force against magic...how is that not a cool concept?
All that EU crap post ROTJ is insane. Chewie's dead, cloned Emperor...Lucas himself said all that isn't his Star Wars anyway, right?
Blowing up planets with thoughts and ripping apart galaxies...that's people getting paid to pull crap outta their ass and put Star Wars in the title. That ain't Lucas. Boba Fett and Jango being Mandalorians...that ain't Lucas, either.
Lucas put magic in Star Wars, not the EU. The Clone Wars cartoon uses magic - and it's sacriledge?!
Star Wars "fans" rule.
Again:
"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff - but I've never seen ANYTHING to make me believe that there's ONE all-powerful Force controlling EVERYTHING. No mystical energy field controls MY destiny. It's all simple tricks and nonsense."
"Good against remotes is one thing - good against the living...that's something else."
It's that such magic tricks are there that's the problem. Lucas also personally included Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd in to the highest canon, and we blast him for that too.
Oh. Yeah, in the Force Unleashed Video Game you can do some crazy-a*s things with the Force, too. Makes you feel unstoppable! The EU tends to exagerate both the Force and Magic capabilities. I stick to the films and the TV series' presentation of 'em.
Video Games and the various EU authors out there put their own stank on it. It confuses people on what you can and can't do with the Force....exagerate the limits of Lucas' "magic". And when Lucas does something that contradicts that, then you get a bunch of fans of that EU blasting Lucas 'cuz he doesn't care about the EU.
I think it's a problem, too.