Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This.This was what the Original thread entailed, except it got sabotaged by a drunken lemming by the name of Wandering Flame...
I'm assuming that this is the reason for the revival after what... 2 or 3 years?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not at all... I used to drink, but then after watching my dad go through hell with the Alchohol after losing his job to back injury, I decided that I didn't want that.I've only ever been really drunk twice.
But go on. Say it was meant to be metaphorical as it's all you got (perhaps other than the cry-to-a-mod button). Not that it does a difference in how it makes you look. 😂
If you're going to bring me up after such a long time, at least do it in such a way I can't heavily embarrass you.
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As for the thread itself, apparently a few ignoramuses have still yet to realize DOA and NG are in one continuity. There isn't Ryu Hayabusa incarnation #1 & 2. The original thread did not disarm Ryu, who specializes in the use of weapons and handicaps himself in DOA, as weapon-wielding combatants would otherwise be disqualified, though he possibly uses the Dragon Sword against the non-tournament related threats, i.e. bosses. Said character breezed through all four of a moron's scenarios. Not surprising, since, the retard also thought the idea of Hayabusa beating Terry Bogard in a martial arts match was ridiculous, so in an attempt to create a spite match, his moronity made one where the spited character actually had superior showings to the other (ironic, isn't it?), and was equipped with a weapon that happens to work quite effectively against the chosen opponent, Hayabusa's #1 default weapon, thus the last thing to be called a plot device in the DOA/NG series. Using him now, as of NGS2 against virtually the same threat is just stronger rape in the previously-victorious character's favor. Hell, you could strip said character of his arsenal only to have God Rugal shot with a black hole (official description of the Art of the Piercing Void in the NGS2 Collector's Edition Book), that not only screws with the surroundings, but guarantees the caster a win in this case.
Way to take the wrong context, though not to worry. From you, that's to be expected. 😉
Forgot to say, I like how between 08 and now, a few butt-sore idiots (especially the one I initially responded to, from what post searches have shown) are still bringing me up like I'm some hot topic, so...where's the hate again? 🙄
awww.... i love your pic Nsite...he is so cute... he looks like such an angry child, kinda like the guy who posted above you...
@dynamic entry... look pal we all have bias towards something, really everyone is a hypocrite... we shall try not to... but we all are... we should all know that... MAYBE your biased towards NG or maybe not... and believe that everything shown in NG is correct and should be treated as canon and actual showings... fine... agreed...whatever you say buddy... no body is arguing with that... at least not me...
but, what we all (atleast me) were trying to say here is that a 3rd person action/adventure game character usually gets more spotlight than your average fighting game character, but all of that doesnt necessary mean that the fighting game character in question, is weak...i gave the example of kratos in my previous post, but i guess u didnt read it so let me extend it further this time...
kratos is a God-killer in GOWIII, his feats include ripping heads clean off the shoulders and bringing down mountain size titans. but can he show any of that in the new mortal kombat? NO he cant, because in a tournament you have to follow certain rules, you have to fight your opponent one on one by only using your hands. he cant just drop olympus on scorpion's head and get on with it. but does that mean he is not capable of that? NO again... he is very capable of single handedly killing anyone in the MKverse.
but lets observe for a moment, i was only able to say that because i have seen 'more' of kratos than scorpion, he has 'shown' more feats than scorpion. so just because scorpion wasnt able to 'show' 'more' of his feats does it mean he is not capable of more feats? NO once again... because similar to kratos not being able to DO what he can do in a fighting game universe, scorpion is unable as well...
Again just because karatos cant show his godly feats in a fighting game tournament doesnt mean he cant do them at all, so scorpion should be given the same advantage, YOU gave the same advantage to ryu by saying this
"who specializes in the use of weapons and handicaps himself in DOA"
i demand from you to give the same advantage to rugal. meaning just because rugal hasnt 'shown' any feats in his limited fighting game universe doesnt mean he dont have any or not capable of any.
as for the plot devices, yes the dragon sword is a plot device, because according to NG canon, hayabusa clan leader AKA ryu, needs to merge the magatama with the sword to unleash the TRUE dragon sword and kill the dark dragon and seal dieties, that sword is a plot device and nothing less than that.
now the question remains, who wins this fight? like i said before... as fierce as ryu might be in his own action verse, his greatest feat so far would be defeating Vazdah, am I right? and if im right again than ryu couldnt have done it(canonically) without the genshin blade and the true dragon sword. so how can we say that RYU hayabusa CAN defeat vazdah when he couldnt with out the help of two sacred blades, i mean he spent half of the game searching for the artifacts so that he can become powerful enough to fight vazdah. if that isnt plot device than what is plot device? must be the name of that robot from sheep in the big city.
Its rugal's turn now... to Rugal... those two sacred swords are just any other swords... and if you ask me in KOFverse ryu hayabusa doesnt pose any bigger threat than eiji kisaragi. so lets admit that he is the best ninja in the world, can he throw projectiles? can he deflect/reflect someone elses projectiles? can he copy moves? yes rugal can copy moves, he has mastered all the fighting styles and than you combine all that with teleportation and Shun-Goku-Satsu, dont think ryu hayabusa even stand a chance...
UNLESS he comes up with some special dagger, shuriken or kunai that was imbued in the positive orochi energy or some other plot device nonsense...
and whats with the personal remarks dude... i agree after looking at darkstorm's posts that he goes a little overboard with his comments and since ur account is showing restricted, i am sure he likes pressing the panic button too that releases the MOD. but... come on... if ur smarter than him u will not only ACT but also reACT smarter than him... which u didnt... you barked back at the barking dog...and those who bark dont bite...
oh and i looked into the piercing void thing cant believe i forgot about that... its a really cool technique... so yeah he can throw projectiles, dont know if rugal can just reflect it with his reflector shield or simply take a step aside... not watering down the technique bro... all im saying that no matter how devastating it is... its just a projectile... but punching clean through a person's chest.... now that is something... and im sure since the fighter in question is god rugal from CVSII who has access to satsui no hadou, i think he can do that very easily... 🙂
take care now...
Great post. We all have bias but we don't let that get in the way of our thinking (or we shouldn't) just because I like someone more doesn't mean they get an auto win. I always thought that was silly.
We all have been hypocrites at one point even if we didn't realize we were, true too.
Your post hit everything I wanted to say. You've earned my respect. If only we can get comic vs posters to understand this.
Originally posted by Dynamic Entry
Following is the first result when post-searching "drunk", with this guy as the user:
So you, an ex-drinker, calls someone who's never taken a sip of alcohol (since I don't believe in drinking)...drunk.
I call you drunk because of the way you act, like a pissed off his face moron.
Originally posted by Dynamic Entry
But go on. Say it was meant to be metaphorical as it's all you got (perhaps other than the cry-to-a-mod button). Not that it does a difference in how it makes you look. 😂
Like I care about what someone with the personality and intelligence of a stump thinks. Oh and BTW, I didn;t hit the mod button, I've been busy IRL: The place that matters.
Originally posted by Dynamic Entry
If you're going to bring me up after such a long time, at least do it in such a way I can't heavily embarrass you.
You couldn't embarrass a skunk at a farting challenge WF, Your the one who apparently feels the need to be here despite all pretense to the contrary. Why don't you hang with Sado at that hole you call "Your" forum? I mean for crist sake, you socked twice...
Originally posted by Dynamic Entry
As for the thread itself, apparently a few ignoramuses have still yet to realize DOA and NG are in one continuity. There isn't Ryu Hayabusa incarnation #1 & 2. The original thread did not disarm Ryu, who specializes in the use of weapons and handicaps himself in DOA, as weapon-wielding combatants would otherwise be disqualified, though he possibly uses the Dragon Sword against the non-tournament related threats, i.e. bosses. Said character breezed through all four of a moron's scenarios. Not surprising, since, the retard also thought the idea of Hayabusa beating Terry Bogard in a martial arts match was ridiculous, so in an attempt to create a spite match, his moronity made one where the spited character actually had superior showings to the other (ironic, isn't it?), and was equipped with a weapon that happens to work quite effectively against the chosen opponent, Hayabusa's #1 default weapon, thus the last thing to be called a plot device in the DOA/NG series. Using him now, as of NGS2 against virtually the same threat is just stronger rape in the previously-victorious character's favor. Hell, you could strip said character of his arsenal only to have God Rugal shot with a black hole (official description of the Art of the Piercing Void in the NGS2 Collector's Edition Book), that not only screws with the surroundings, but guarantees the caster a win in this case.
And all of this basically highlights your inability to form logical conclusions, evenn in hindsight.
Seriously, you backpedaled so hard you stacked the bike after C-Master tripped you up, and I personally deflated your tyres and broke the spokes by revealing your miscarrage of non-canon vs non existant.
The entire line of reasoning was that Ninja Gaiden was to be separated from Dead Or Alive because thats what the OP dictated originally, you whined your beady little eyes out for 20 pages and posted 35,000 word essays with less than a sentence woth of sense, full of blaringly obvious self contradictions, blatant wanking, and trying to palm off every unsolicited advantage you possibly could to Hayabusa.
You have no say as to who was being more embarrassing.
Originally posted by Dynamic_Entry
Way to take the wrong context, though not to worry. From you, that's to be expected. 😉
Way to be an idiot and reveal yourself as a double sock. Now thats intelligence!
Originally posted by Dynamic_Entry
Forgot to say, I like how between 08 and now, a few butt-sore idiots (especially the one I initially responded to, from what post searches have shown) are still bringing me up like I'm some hot topic, so...where's the hate again? 🙄
No genius, the reason why you where brought up in relation to fanboy arguments that go all the way back to 2005, your nothing special, in fact, I hadn;t even thought about you in recent memory exept in passing when dealing with Addy, oh and No End had his suspicions about you from a few weeks back, you just proved him right, hence he is having a victory chant at your expence. IMO, rightly deserved too.
Sorry for the double post, time ran out before I noticed another post refferencing me...
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
and whats with the personal remarks dude... i agree after looking at darkstorm's posts that he goes a little overboard with his comments and since ur account is showing restricted, i am sure he likes pressing the panic button too that releases the MOD. but... come on... if ur smarter than him u will not only ACT but also reACT smarter than him... which u didnt... you barked back at the barking dog...and those who bark dont bite...
Hey hey! I only "Go Overboard" in extreme cases, Addy being the only one in recent memory... And I wasn't here to press the mod button, I've not been on the forums for more than 5 minutes this week because of Cyclone Yasi, I happen to reside in Australia, and I have family in queensland, so I actually have proof.... That and the time of these two posts should indicate this.
Oh, and I'm offended, I am no dog....
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
that was a metaphor buddy... what did u wanted me to say? quacked back at the quacking duck? lol i dont think that can be used as a metaphor...anyways, still im sorry if u got offended... didnt mean to... and no need to prove anything dude, hope u and your family are safe. peace...
It's alright, I was joking in an attempt to lighten my mood.
Apparently you've not heard of something called a pm inbox, JinKaza.
"" wrote on Feb 25th, 2011 09:22 PM:Hello Jin.
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
aww.... i love your pic Nsite...he is so cute... he looks like such an angry child, kinda like the guy who posted above you...
I'm 22.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
@dynamic entry... look pal we all have bias towards something, really everyone is a hypocrite... we shall try not to... but we all are... we should all know that... MAYBE your biased towards NG or maybe not... and believe that everything shown in NG is correct and should be treated as canon and actual showings... fine... agreed...whatever you say buddy... no body is arguing with that... at least not me...
Have I recently shown to be a hypocrite? If not, then there's only conjecture. Someone talked smack about yours truly recently (the certain insult not to mention was hilariously ironic), and I decided to expose the post. Not a big deal, since he should've known what he was getting into. I was generous enough not to address & expose the other low blows he delivered during my 1-2 year absence. Also, no one would argue NG isn't canon, unless they're trolling and mental.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
but, what we all (atleast me) were trying to say here is that a 3rd person action/adventure game character usually gets more spotlight than your average fighting game character, but all of that doesnt necessary mean that the fighting game character in question, is weak...i gave the example of kratos in my previous post, but i guess u didnt read it so let me extend it further this time...
kratos is a God-killer in GOWIII, his feats include ripping heads clean off the shoulders and bringing down mountain size titans. but can he show any of that in the new mortal kombat? NO he cant, because in a tournament you have to follow certain rules, you have to fight your opponent one on one by only using your hands. he cant just drop olympus on scorpion's head and get on with it. but does that mean he is not capable of that? NO again... he is very capable of single handedly killing anyone in the MKverse.
Did you read mine? It pretty much entailed this entire point (other than the fact your example is invalid. Kratos is non-canon to the MK verse whereas Hayabusa is canon to DOA as he is to NG. MK Kratos is as canon as MVC Wolverine, i.e. belongs to a separate canon other than his main universe/continuity). It was explaining the fact Hayabusa is a strict limb-fighter in DOA does not imply he is so everywhere else, and the important point you don't seem to be aware of is he was armed in the thread as per the OP (opening post).The fact dumbshits like some on the discussion page desire to have Ryu restricted to melee (which they have for years. Retarded, isn't it? Let's water down characters we dislike by whatever means from now on for the hell of it) even when it's common knowledge this is a watered down Ryu only confirms their bias (i.e., they merely don't want certain characters to be at their prime; specializing in their best arts against characters they beat off to). Hayabusa's primary specialty is not limb-fighting, nor is it nunchuck'ing. These are merely among his arts. It's also common knowledge that by default, Hayabusa's a katana user. Regardless, to use him at his best is not only to equip him with the most effective weapons (one melee and one projectile, since that's what he's realisitically able to wield up to at any given moment) but to have his ninpos active (these are learned techniques involving ki manipulation).
As for Kratos solo'ing MK, I doubt that. I specialize not in either series and I already know mere MK bots like Cyrax is a planet-popper, which should put him well above Kratos in destructive capacity (all of Kratos' other traits are pretty much nulled by this one feat too). Before I'm excused of bias, I'd much rather waste away playing a GoW game then an MK one.
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
but lets observe for a moment, i was only able to say that because i have seen 'more' of kratos than scorpion, he has 'shown' more feats than scorpion. so just because scorpion wasnt able to 'show' 'more' of his feats does it mean he is not capable of more feats? NO once again... because similar to kratos not being able to DO what he can do in a fighting game universe, scorpion is unable as well...
Again just because karatos cant show his godly feats in a fighting game tournament doesnt mean he cant do them at all, so scorpion should be given the same advantage, YOU gave the same advantage to ryu by saying this
"who specializes in the use of weapons and handicaps himself in DOA"
i demand from you to give the same advantage to rugal. meaning just because rugal hasnt 'shown' any feats in his limited fighting game universe doesnt mean he dont have any or not capable of any.
KMC VS go off mainly showings and feats. It does not rely on speculation of what a character may do outside his/her main game, or in a non-fighting game. How do we find out what CVS Rugal can do in a non-fighting game when no such thing exists?Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
as for the plot devices, yes the dragon sword is a plot device, because according to NG canon, hayabusa clan leader AKA ryu, needs to merge the magatama with the sword to unleash the TRUE dragon sword and kill the dark dragon and seal dieties, that sword is a plot device and nothing less than that.
Re-think what you're saying. You just said it has to be first merged with the Dragon's Eye. Yes, when things get too out of hand Ryu seeks to use the sword at its full, though the weapon itself has never been a plot device...it's even been in use before the first DOA, e.g. NES Gaiden, but I can predict your next response. It's a plot device when in the true form. This is only partially true, however. Regardless of this point, the thread-maker did not ban it from Ryu's arsenal, and it's canonically strengthened by the amount of evil of the opponent the wielder is using it on, and considering the opponent is a Rugal arguably more malicious than the canon one...Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
now the question remains, who wins this fight? like i said before... as fierce as ryu might be in his own action verse, his greatest feat so far would be defeating Vazdah, am I right? and if im right again than ryu couldnt have done it(canonically) without the genshin blade and the true dragon sword. so how can we say that RYU hayabusa CAN defeat vazdah when he couldnt with out the help of two sacred blades, i mean he spent half of the game searching for the artifacts so that he can become powerful enough to fight vazdah. if that isnt plot device than what is plot device? must be the name of that robot from sheep in the big city.
We take everything into consideration such as skill, speed, techniques; not just necessarily who has a win over who. From what I can see, speed is pretty much equalized between the two, judging from Hayabusa and God Rugal's in-game speeds. Rugal mastering "all fighting styles" (which you said later in this post) would mean something in a strict limb-based match. However, one of the opponents doesn't primarily specialize in that, nor is the particular match strictly hand-to-hand.Ryu gets handed the Blade of the Archfiend by Fiend Genshin when Genshin's defeated. This is what we call spending half the game searching for said "arfifact".
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
Its rugal's turn now... to Rugal... those two sacred swords are just any other swords...
No, they're not. There's nothing to indicate they work on only select beings, nor is their any indication an incarnation of Rugal has a special immunity to them. However, one of the blades (TDS) was given to Ryu by the OP and there's canonical evidence it will be effective against Rugal, especially the incarnation of Rugal in question (the one canon to CVS).Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
and if you ask me in KOFverse ryu hayabusa doesnt pose any bigger threat than eiji kisaragi.
No. The True DS' power lies in countering evil very well (arguably to an indefinite amount from what's been said in game 1 & 2), so when CVS Rugal is infused with both likely evil sources of power, it's not fair or smart at all putting him up against Hayabusa with his (unlocked) default weapon. If I'm wrong about either or both powers being evil, which I'm sure one of them are, Rugal is one of the more evil characters in the KoF and CVS series nonetheless.If you meant without weapons, I can almost guarantee Ryu's experience and ninpos give him an automatic edge against Eiji.
If you meant strictly in H2H, I could go ahead and ask what Eiji's feats are, but it has no relevance and I'm not going to waste my time further.
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
so lets admit that he is the best ninja in the world, can he throw projectiles?
I can see now why you probably think Eiji's supposedly Ryu's equal.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
can he deflect/reflect someone elses projectiles?
Dodges/deflects bullets and turret fire with a katana. He needs to reflect/deflect nothing he's capable of casually dodging, i.e. any of CVS Rugal's attacks.This is the character limit of a PM. There's a part 2.
"" wrote on Feb 25th, 2011 09:32 PM:Here's Part 2.
Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
can he copy moves? yes rugal can copy moves, he has mastered all the fighting styles and than you combine all that with teleportation and Shun-Goku-Satsu, dont think ryu hayabusa even stand a chance...
Then you must know little on Hayabusa Jin. Rugal's not copying moves from someone who's using a damn katana on him (which OP stated he's using), and arguing he's going to copy each and every single move he's facing up against is a no-limits fallacy. Teleportation is also at Ryu's disposal (I also doubt God Rugal can teleport, if you're speaking of the Ashura Senku. This is more of like a glide where the user is temporarily intangible). Shun Goku Satsu fails on those pure of heart and/or people who clear their mind in time, which Hayabusa is. It also failed on Gen. There's also the fact Ryu's reaction time, own speed and teleportation would void the move.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
UNLESS he comes up with some special dagger, shuriken or kunai that was imbued in the positive orochi energy or some other plot device nonsense...
Prove it.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
and whats with the personal remarks dude... i agree after looking at darkstorm's posts that he goes a little overboard with his comments and since ur account is showing restricted, i am sure he likes pressing the panic button too that releases the MOD. but... come on... if ur smarter than him u will not only ACT but also reACT smarter than him... which u didnt... you barked back at the barking dog...and those who bark dont bite...
If I make one personal remark out of every 5 he makes over the course of a year or more, I don't see what's the problem, and it's likely No End who baw'd to a mod before DZ could.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
oh and i looked into the piercing void thing cant believe i forgot about that... its a really cool technique... so yeah he can throw black holes,
Fixed.Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
dont know if rugal can just reflect it with his reflector shield or simply take a step aside... not watering down the technique bro... all im saying that no matter how devastating it is... its just a projectile... but punching clean through a person's chest.... now that is something...
Lmao @ chest-piercing is > projecting a gravitational void, i.e. black hole. It's a projectile in the sense that it's shot, not that it's ki. Ki is > a black hole? Do you know what a black hole is in physical terms?Originally posted by Jinkaza1987
and im sure since the fighter in question is god rugal from CVSII who has access to satsui no hadou, i think he can do that very easily... 🙂
Both have around equal speed and teleportation (if you think a glide taking a second or more from one spot to another is a teleport), so what's going to be easy for Rugal in terms of landing hits, especially when Hayabusa has demonstrated far better reaction times.