Originally posted by Omega Vision
That sounds like a no-limits fallacy to me. Not to mention his fight with Superman wasn't canon.
well imagin if he was fighting hulk....and yea i know but that was a mild example seeing as determining "canon" for he-man is rather difficult with all of his brand trades.
EDIT: point is though his power will increase to meet whatever challenge he comes across. so to say he has a limited strength wouldn't be accurate.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
well imagin if he was fighting hulk....and yea i know but that was a mild example seeing as determining "canon" for he-man is rather difficult with all of his brand trades.EDIT: point is though his power will increase to meet whatever challenge he comes across. so to say he has a limited strength wouldn't be accurate.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Do you think He-Man could beat the Living Tribunal in an arm wrestling competition?
well if he-man and the living tribunal both were squaring off in a match that was being based upon purely strength and nothing else such as and arm wrestling competition then yes i believe he-man would win.
if he-man had to be strong enough to crush the universe in one hand he would become that strong.....(assuming he was able to hold the universe in his hand)
The "myth-conception" error in this thread - regarding either She-Ra or He-Man - is that much of their ability/power is very strongly *story-setting* driven; Greyskull's power is *NOT* unlimited, and while the *narrative* rationale is that He-Man's strength can be increased to match challenges, by the *broader* rationale of feats and inter-narrative gauging, he *doesn't* have unlimited strength, and neither does She-Ra.
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If this were a comic, then She-Ra would eventually win (with the help of her friends, of course), but as far as a conventional forum battle goes (even with relative stips), Darkseid is taking the majority in this, and possibly by a near-stomp, though She-Ra will put up a fight, and a good one, at that.
Now, if He-Man and She-Ra teamed up, and had their friends/armies available to aid them, it is conceivable that they would get a good share of wins, but not easily (DS is narratively much more powerful than either Skeletor or Hordak); this would be similar to SM/WW teaming up to fight DS, assuming they have someone else to cock-block the parademons, et al...
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Do you think He-Man could beat the Living Tribunal in an arm wrestling competition?
Castle Greyskull is a conduit to the Universe. That's why Skeletor and the Masters of the Universe want the Sorceress and the castle so greatly.
He-Man would tie with LT because that's really where his strength comes from.
^Right...in a non canon crossover
Originally posted by the ninjak
Castle Greyskull is a conduit to the Universe. That's why Skeletor and the Masters of the Universe want the Sorceress and the castle so greatly.He-Man would tie with LT because that's really where his strength comes from.
LT>Universe
Originally posted by Omega Vision
^Right...in a non canon crossoverExcept even if his strength is Universal its still not the equal of the LT...
LT>Universe
I stand corrected.
LT is multi.
He-man would lose an armwrestle against LT.
His sword should be able to take an Omega Beam though.
But if it came to a grappling contest Heman would obviously in time destroy Darkseid but it won't happen cause he'll cop a facefull of Omega Beams.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Darkseid sends her back into the past using his omega beams
I remember her sword being able to change into a shield.
And considering Heman's powersource.
You would think She-Ra's would be amped version of Cap's shield.
I say Darkseid attempts to Omega Ray She-Ra,
she jumps through the air tanking the effects,
cuts through Darkseid's eyes, causing him discomfort.
Then cuts his FRICKEN head off!
Originally posted by Omega Vision
That sounds like a no-limits fallacy to me. Not to mention his fight with Superman wasn't canon.
What are you basing that off of? I researched what I could about the canonicity of He-Man's past when I co-authored the respect thread, and it's one of the few franchises that doesn't discount comic or TV showings. Both are considered canon. No mention is made of the Superman crossover, but they were owned by the same company at the time so it wouldn't necessarily come under the same rules as Marvel/DC ones do these days.
The BS thrown around about He-Man is frustrating. People will openly talk about the Superman fight, for example, without realizing it's a 2-panel non-feat for both of them. But, so the story goes, his strength level fluctuates based on need, so it would be based on his power source which has never reached a limit. We can assume its limits are under that of, say, LT, but again can't be definitive about it. To say he's potentially the physically strongest under-abstract being is defensible, though not provable.
Where he falters is in durability. He can and has been knocked out. His durability is clearly comparable to herald-level, but isn't Superman level imo. Darkseid would wreck him. He also lacks flight, though his combat speed is effective enough to compete on such a level. He also possesses some energy absorbtion through his sword (think of a budget-rate Mjolnir in terms of feats).
Btw, his best feat is moving a planet into alignment with his strength. He's also thrown a small moon into orbit from his "Earth" (Eternia). The former is from TV, where his feats were generally a bit bigger, the latter however is from a comic.