Originally posted by Deano
Yeh it would be normal to have some kind of system. But the way things are now and they way things are heading i just cant see how this is natural to us. All the evidence points to a certain elite group manipulating us to get the one world government they want. Its not so hard to believe is it? A group of wealthy men who think they have the right to control humanity. Maybe they think it is for the earths own good? That if they dont take control we will lead ourselves to destruction.
Maybe they do exist, but these elite are people who come from the same population. Anyone who got power got it from support of the population, whether from ignorance or force of arms or because they made good leaders. There's no supernatural force at work, but simply the forces arising from the population, causing certain trends to occur.
For the record, I do think that the earth is effectively controlled by the capitalist class, but I don't think this is any kind of conscious effort to cause large scale changes (other than increasing their own profits).
Originally posted by Deano
You are right its not all the elites fault. If they exist which im pretty sure they do, then it is our fault for keeping them there. we have been manipulated to think we need some higher force to look out for us and protect us when in fact we do not. the more time passes by the more lazier we get.
We haven't been manipulated, we've placed ourselves in that role. For instance, if we are being brainwashed by the mainstream news stations (and once again, I think their motive is entirely profit)... well, they shouldn't do that, but you need to understand why these stations became mainstream to begin with... they had more viewers. If people had decided they'd rather listen to pirate radio or whatever, these would have had absolutely no power to manipulate anyone.
Originally posted by Deano
You have to understand its hard to fight this madness when we havent a clue whats going on. we all grow up just accepting what IS, instead of questioning why. I know i did. I thought yeh the world is pretty messed up but im sure if things could change for the better they would. We all have thought that.
Indeed, there is a cult of pessimism that has struck the world's educated class. I just recently escaped it myself. But I think ideas like your actually hurt the ability of the world to seek alternatives. Acting as if people who disbelieve are sheep does nothing but alienate them and eliminate all possibility of them actually embracing your ideas.
Originally posted by Deano
Now thanks to the internet, which is not controlled(for now) thank god, we can access more than what the official mainstream offers us which means more freedom of speech. That is why alot of people are waking up now. You wouldn't believe the aggro i got 5 years ago when i posted this stuff on these forums. Now people are actually willing to debate it which is a start at least
I remember some earlier topics of yours. That had way more to do with you calling people stupid and refusing to offer evidence than people not "waking up". Not to mention your preference for copy-and-paste over creating actual content didn't do wonders for appearing like YOU were willing to debate.
Originally posted by Deano
And im sure humans did look to the future and keep themselves educated but as time goes(especially the last 100 years) we have been easily manipulated to do otherwise. its hard to keep educated when a certain group control the information and history books.
If people really were educating themselves, they never would have allowed certain groups to control information. The fact that such a thing could happen is proof that people weren't informing themselves to deal with it. Like I said, there's no magic power that suddenly places elites on top. They grow from structure of the population itself.
Originally posted by Deano
Tis need to be asking themselves why are they doing this to there own species. i can see why their are conspiracy theories suggesting that an alien species have control over the government, because it just does not make sense that humans could create such a destructive force in out own environment. Like i say the truth could be even more crazier than people are ready for.
"they", "they", this is the laziest kind of thinking. Its US that does this. The population as a whole. Everyone has a piece of the blame. We need to understand the actual factors that cause this situation, we can't just guess and say it could be aliens. If you say there's a ruling elite, then i'd like the names of the actual people who are this elite. If we can't understand the specifics of a situation, there's no way to take specific action to stop it.
Originally posted by Deano
religion is one of the main forms of mind control. it couldnt just be, could it, that these variations on the same thought pattern have absolutely nothing to do with “God” and spirituality and everything to do with the desire of some humans to dictate the lives of all the rest?
Lots of religions teach very bad attitudes. But religions are "popular" because people chose to believe in them. If people had found other religions more persuasive, we'd have a completely different set. Religion is possibly the best example there is of a way that a population oppresses itself. I think Marx's "opiate of the masses" was a good metaphor. Its a way people drug themselves to numb the truth of the world, not something someone tied them down and injected into them.