Originally posted by skekUngThere's no need for namecalling. Especially when you're agreeing with me.
My mistake. I thought you said son. Otherwise, my point does not change and you haven't challenged them, jerk.you believing him, much less caring about him or who is on his show does not change the fact that his point flew right over your head.
Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
Maher is not saying that the Super Bowl uses a policy similar to socialism. He's saying that the entire sport of football and especially the draft rules share policies with socialism. I you actually managed to read the quotation, you would have realized that the Super Bowl was hardly even mentioned. So, to make sure that I understand, you don't believe anything Bill Maher says because he's not athletic and you don't like him, right?
no i couldn't care if he was athletic or not, if he was than perhaps he would have a better leg to to stand on being that he actually played sports
Originally posted by skekUng
My mistake. I thought you said son. Otherwise, my point does not change and you haven't challenged them, jerk.you believing him, much less caring about him or who is on his show does not change the fact that his point flew right over your head.
actually no what he said didn't go over my head.. the man is a pompous arse.. if he was so all that than perhaps he should stop being on HBO and go out there and help the world better instead of talking about it
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerYou don't believe him because he can't do these things?
until Maher can actually get out there and throw a football or throw a baseball, maybe even run a 4/40 in the 40 yard dash or hit a homerun without the benefit of steroids than maybe i will believe what he is saying
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
no i couldn't care if he was athletic or not, if he was than perhaps he would have a better leg to to stand on being that he actually played sportsactually no what he said didn't go over my head.. the man is a pompous arse.. if he was so all that than perhaps he should stop being on HBO and go out there and help the world better instead of talking about it
Your comments stand in direct contradiction to what they claim. Either you do or do not hold his lack of experience in the NFL against his ability to observe, from the outside, just like every drooling fan who watches the games, the rules you love and cheerish against the institution that observes them, the inability of the majority of Americans who enjoy that institution to comprehend the joke he's made or the people towards whom the joke was intended.
As for your second, tossed in at the last minute, point, don't be mad. You love the millionaires that beat the hell out of each other on Super Bowl Sunday, but hate the millionaire on HBO that makes intellectual jokes about their behavior and the codification you get from it. Guess what, if you didn't pick up on that point, you totally missed the joke he was making. The more you say, the more correct you prove him to be.
Originally posted by skekUng
Your comments stand in direct contradiction to what they claim. Either you do or do not hold his lack of experience in the NFL against his ability to observe, from the outside, just like every drooling fan who watches the games, the rules you love and cheerish against the institution that observes them, the inability of the majority of Americans who enjoy that institution to comprehend the joke he's made or the people towards whom the joke was intended.As for your second, tossed in at the last minute, point, don't be mad. You love the millionaires that beat the hell out of each other on Super Bowl Sunday, but hate the millionaire on HBO that makes intellectual jokes about their behavior and the codification you get from it. Guess what, if you didn't pick up on that point, you totally missed the joke he was making. The more you say, the more correct you prove him to be.
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Originally posted by skekUng
My mistake. I thought you said son. Otherwise, my point does not change and you haven't challenged them, jerk.
Even though "son" and "brother" aren't spelled alike, or are even similar sounding words? In any event...
What "point"? That there's a socialist aspect to the game? If anything, the game embodies capitalism, considering that to air a 30 second commercial costs approx. 2 million dollars. (By the way; I got Maher's Republican/Democrat metaphor, I just thought it was corny).
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Even though "son" and "brother" aren't spelled alike, or are even similar sounding words? In any event...What "point"? That there's a socialist aspect to the game? If anything, the game embodies capitalism, considering that to air a 30 second commercial costs approx. 2 million dollars. (By the way; I got Maher's Republican/Democrat metaphor, I just thought it was corny).
You're harping on a simple misread as a means of trying to bolster your point, much like needing to mention a family member in the military, in Iraq, at all when you express a simple opinion, so that people will lend your opinions more weight. That point, also, has not changed.
No, that you thought it was dumb simply because you enjoy this holiday and the sport it celebrates. Just because your brother gets to drink beer in Iraq because 1/3 of the US gets off on watching millionaires beat the hell out of each other in a game with socialist rules, but then pretend they understand socialism at all, much less that it is already present and operating in many ways in our country and government.
Hmm. Not a horrible comparison. I would say that all major American professional sports are by nature capitalist, but, it does seem that this past decade there hasn't been one football team that has completely dominated the NFL. On the flip side of that though is that there are a few teams that have been bottom feeders for quite awhile e.g. Lions, Raiders etc. Admittedly, though, they have made some impressive improvements this year. All in all , I like his simile .
Originally posted by meep-meep
Hmm. Not a horrible comparison. I would say that all major American professional sports are by nature capitalist, but, it does seem that this past decade there hasn't been one football team that has completely dominated the NFL. On the flip side of that though is that there are a few teams that have been bottom feeders for quite awhile e.g. Lions, Raiders etc. Admittedly, though, they have made some impressive improvements this year. All in all , I like his simile .
Because they are by nature capitalist. Children's sports, on the other hand, are pretty socialist. Little league baseball, pee-wee football, and even karate all award kids just for participating. Everyone on the team, win or lose, gets a trophy just for being present and to not hurt any feelings. I don't like it, because it doesn't encourage the kids to push themselves; it dulls their drive.
Now, when we start to get into the upper echelon sports, things are a lot different. In college football and in the NFL, the only ones playing are the guys who are good enough to be there. High school sports is where sorry players get culled out. The coaches have hopefully done their job of filtering out the bad players, so when college scouts come around, they only see the best ones. So NCAA and NFL football worship the best individuals, who make the most money for the school or franchise. Brett Favre didn't get to be the guy he is (or was, during his prime) through any "socialist" environment. His case is an example of survival of the fittest at work.
You can't redefine the joke by suddenly assuming the rules that get the players on the field are the point, rather than the rules that govern them once they're there -or the huge number of fans who adore the game, while ignoring the nature of the rules that govern it. Those fans would cry foul if those rules were ignored, but don't have the presence of mind to associate that level of fairness when the concept is extended to other games, like modern American politics.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because they are by nature capitalist. Children's sports, on the other hand, are pretty socialist. Little league baseball, pee-wee football, and even karate all award kids just for participating. Everyone on the team, win or lose, gets a trophy just for being present and to not hurt any feelings. I don't like it, because it doesn't encourage the kids to push themselves; it dulls their drive.Now, when we start to get into the upper echelon sports, things are a lot different. In college football and in the NFL, the only ones playing are the guys who are good enough to be there. High school sports is where sorry players get culled out. The coaches have hopefully done their job of filtering out the bad players, so when college scouts come around, they only see the best ones. So NCAA and NFL football worship the best individuals, who make the most money for the school or franchise. Brett Favre didn't get to be the guy he is (or was, during his prime) through any "socialist" environment. His case is an example of survival of the fittest at work.
I think you might be over analyzing the comparison. It was probably meant to just give a broad comparison so that the "average joe" could identify with the topic. I know what you are saying, though.
Originally posted by skekUng
You can't redefine the joke by suddenly assuming the rules that get the players on the field are the point, rather than the rules that govern them once they're there -or the huge number of fans who adore the game, while ignoring the nature of the rules that govern it. Those fans would cry foul if those rules were ignored, but don't have the presence of mind to associate that level of fairness when the concept is extended to other games, like modern American politics.
Agreed. 👆
Originally posted by skekUngI was talking about you calling him a jerk.
I called you no names. Mota called me one, though. I think he understood.
Originally posted by Quiero MotaWow, you really just do not get it, do you?
Because they are by nature capitalist. Children's sports, on the other hand, are pretty socialist. Little league baseball, pee-wee football, and even karate all award kids just for participating. Everyone on the team, win or lose, gets a trophy just for being present and to not hurt any feelings. I don't like it, because it doesn't encourage the kids to push themselves; it dulls their drive.Now, when we start to get into the upper echelon sports, things are a lot different. In college football and in the NFL, the only ones playing are the guys who are good enough to be there. High school sports is where sorry players get culled out. The coaches have hopefully done their job of filtering out the bad players, so when college scouts come around, they only see the best ones. So NCAA and NFL football worship the best individuals, who make the most money for the school or franchise. Brett Favre didn't get to be the guy he is (or was, during his prime) through any "socialist" environment. His case is an example of survival of the fittest at work.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Children's sports, on the other hand, are pretty socialist. Little league baseball, pee-wee football, and even karate all award kids just for participating. Everyone on the team, win or lose, gets a trophy just for being present and to not hurt any feelings. I don't like it, because it doesn't encourage the kids to push themselves; it dulls their drive.
That is not Socialism, it is Communism.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
His case is an example of survival of the fittest at work.
His father was the coach of the football team which gave him a degree of opportunity and access to personal knowledge about the game that only a small portion of young footballers have.
He wouldn't even have been in college to get noticed without a state scholarship.
Totally pulled himself up by his own bootstraps.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His father was the coach of the football team which gave him a degree of opportunity and access to personal knowledge about the game that only a small portion of young footballers have.He wouldn't even have been in college to get noticed without a state scholarship.
Totally pulled himself up by his own bootstraps.
Yeah, his father got his foot in the door, big deal. The same can be said about a lot of atheletes; Tiger Woods, The Rock, Ken Griffey Jr. and many others I can't think of at the moment. It doesn't detract from their talent or accomplishments.
If Favre was a scrawny dweeb who couldn't throw a ball, you can rest asssured that fool wouldn't be in the NFL. He'd probably be a white collar desk-jockey somewhere. However, as fate would have it, he turned out to be an incredibly talented QB, who got a boost from his dad.