Vril Dox & Brainiac 5 Vs Dr. Doom & Lex Luthor

vs

Doom

Magic

GG

Agreed magic is the kicker here. Luthor is essentially a non factor as any tech he uses would be promptly turned against him. Dr. Doom was a potential candidate for Supreme and probably has more mystical knowledge than most of the other sorcerer/mage characters put together in terms of branches of magic known.

What's Lex doing here? Post Crisis Lex is out of his depth here. Throw in Richards or someone.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's Lex doing here? Post Crisis Lex is out of his depth here. Throw in Richards or someone.

Wasn't it Lex who made one of the Brainiac's look stupid before??

Never seen that. Post Crisis Lex is portrayed as a mad genius here and there but his nowhere on the level of Doom intellectually from what I've seen. I think his most impressive invention was the one-time-use makeshift teleportation device he made during Salvation Run, and I as I recall, other evil geniuses had a hand in that.

Edit: Didn't Luthor make a device that killed Swamp Thing? That would be his best feat but I think there were circumstances.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Never seen that. Post Crisis Lex is portrayed as a mad genius here and there but his nowhere on the level of Doom intellectually from what I've seen. I think his most impressive invention was the one-time-use makeshift teleportation device he made during Salvation Run, and I as I recall, other evil geniuses had a hand in that.

Edit: Didn't Luthor make a device that killed Swamp Thing? That would be his best feat but I think there were circumstances.

The Swamp Thing happened Pre-Crisis, IIRC. And it didn't take him long at all.

This isn't a Luthor vs Doom thread. They are on the same side.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom

Magic

GG

Srsly.

Originally posted by Galan007
This.

Srsly.

You don't think the brainiac's can counter magic?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
You don't think the brainiac's can counter magic?

b.) Even if they could, it'd likely require a substantial amount of prep to do so -- and no prep time was specified in this match.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The Swamp Thing happened Pre-Crisis, IIRC. And it didn't take him long at all.

This isn't a Luthor vs Doom thread. They are on the same side.

Did it? I thought it was Post. IIRC, it took him only like 10 minutes.

I know. I'm just saying that Lex isn't on the level of the intellects in this thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Not sure about Brainiac, but I know Vril has never countered Doom-level magics.

b.) Even if they could, it'd likely require a substantial amount of prep to do so -- and no prep time was specified in this match.

Both teams get prep.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did it? I thought it was Post. IIRC, it took him only like 10 minutes.

I know. I'm just saying that Lex isn't on the level of the intellects in this thread.

I think Galan said it was pre-crisis.

Anyway, Lex was a peer to Brainiac 5, IIRC.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Both teams get prep.

How much prep do they get?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think Galan said it was pre-crisis.

I think it was you who said Luthor took out Swamp Thing, pre-crisis. Or was that Kevdude?

Anyway, they all get a week worths of Prep.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think it was you who said Luthor took out Swamp Thing, pre-crisis. Or was that Kevdude?

Anyway, they all get a week worths of Prep.

that was pc right?

Was it? I'm not sure.

^ Oh that? Yeah, totally forgot about it until you posted those scans. It happened in ST #53 (1986.)

The gun Lex devised momentarily froze ST long enough for his body to be destroyed (via a napalm strike.) That 'death' is also when it was revealed that unlike other earth elementals, ST's consciousness can actually travel to distant planets and reform a new body there:
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9932/streform1.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3813/streform2.jpg

It also occurred WAY before ST had 'fine tuned' his powers -- back when friggin' napalm could destroy his vessel (something that would be ineffectual nowadays.) Lol.

Still impressive on Lex's part, but it's kind of a pity that people have to dig back over 20 years to find a decent feat for Lex. 🙁