Moon Knight - by Brian Bendis & Alex Maleev
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30671
Finally Moonie gets an established A-list team! If Bendis & Maleev can do for Marc Spector what they did for Daredevil, then the future is jet & silver shiny. 👆
Originally posted by Kazenji
Some of Bendis's dialogue is good.
Originally posted by Bentley
Which means some is awful
That actually doesn't logically follow, Bents. Sorry there. I'm not defending Bendis per se (I like how he writes Spider-Man though), and clearly you have some issues with his writing, but your statement isn't proof of it.
My complains about Bendis are almost strictly technical, specially the use of dialogue combined with panels or the "voice" of certain characters. His narration -including how he weaves his stories- is hardly bad.
Originally posted by Digi
That actually doesn't logically follow, Bents. Sorry there. I'm not defending Bendis per se (I like how he writes Spider-Man though), and clearly you have some issues with his writing, but your statement isn't proof of it.
"Some Bendis dialogue is good" implies some dialogue isn't good right? "Awful" may've been an overstatement to be fair.
Also, I'm aware the comment may not have been intended as such from the poster since it was a passing comment, I'm just arguing from the logical implication point of view.
Originally posted by Bentley
My complains about Bendis are almost strictly technical, specially the use of dialogue combined with panels or the "voice" of certain characters. His narration -including how he weaves his stories- is hardly bad."Some Bendis dialogue is good" implies some dialogue isn't good right? "Awful" may've been an overstatement to be fair.
Also, I'm aware the comment may not have been intended as such from the poster since it was a passing comment, I'm just arguing from the logical implication point of view.
"Some dialogue is good" only means that some of it it is something other than good. That could mean excellent, horrible, neutral, etc.
I suppose I didn't need to be so absolutely technical with my rebuttal, but I wanted to see you defend your opinion on Bendis a bit more thoroughly. He's hacked through some crossovers and such, but I loved him on Ultimate Spider-Man and enjoy his New Avengers currently.
You could've simply asked me why I found it bad 🙂
The truth is, I don't always find it bad. When Bendis isn't at his best not only the stories aren't all that remarkable, but they don't use panels and dialogues correctly -maybe they are rushed?-. I assume there are other writers who have this kind of issues but none I've read as much.
You could also argue that there are different sensibilities in different titles, Stan Lee, for example, wrote a solid Spider-man and a less-than-stellar Iron Man. It really depends in which one you focus to say whether the writing is good or bad. At least imo.
I like Moon Knight, but I'm not looking forward to Bendis doing this. And yeah, aside from his propensity for muddling through big crossovers to underwhelming conclusions, a lot of poor characterization, and messing around with the Avengers, it's the dialogue than annoys me.
A lot of his dialogue just seems like panel filler, like he's sitting there writing and thinks "Don't really have much plot going on here. Cage is punching some guys. Guess I'll just fill the rest of the panels with pointless repetitive banter again." Some of it comes across like he honestly thinks the reader is dense or retarded or something - either that or the characters are. Like the last Avengers issue:
Hood: "Who's that guy?"
Big Dude: "Oh, hell Mr. Robbins. You don't want a part of that."
Hood: "Who is he? Why is he sitting alone?"
Big Dude: "Blah blah blah dat dere's a dangerous guy."
Hood: "That guy?"
Big Dude: "He's a mutant. And he kills people. A mutant killer."
Hood: "That guy right there?"
Big Dude: "YES THAT GUY RIGHT THERE. THE ONLY GUY AT THE F***ING TABLE. THE ONE WE ARE BOTH LOOKING AT. THE ONE WHO IS CLEARLY A MUTANT UNLIKE EVERY OTHER F*** IN THIS JOINT AND THE ONE THAT YOU POINTED OUT TO ME IN THE FIRST F***ING PLACE AND STARTED THIS WHOLE F***ING CONVERSATION ABOUT. ARE YOU DENSE? ARE YOU RETARDED OR SOMETHING? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM TALKING ABOUT?"
Hood: "That guy? That guy right there?"
OK, that was just a minor example but that's the only issue I had around.
I don't read BB's USM so can't comment on how he fits that, but his Avengers Spider-Man is usually just kind of annoying (and pointless - he is on two teams and most of the time he does nothing except spout lame dialogue). And the "couple talk" - Cage and wife - can border on excruciating. I enjoy some issues more than others but sometimes I just have to stop in the middle of a page of Bendispeak, look away, take a deep breath, and tell myself "you can get through it - just keep reading..."
Oddly enough I kind of enjoyed the Dark Avengers run. It went nowhere really, and the Bendispeak was still there, but he maybe because the entire cast was a$$holes I think he did a better job.