Wolverine vs Spiderman

Originally posted by inimalist
so your argument is that continuous on panel showings of Spider-Man amount to PIS rather than an accurate guage of how powerful he is in Marvel hirearchy?

I could use the exact same logic to say that Man-Thing should beat Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by King Castle
most of Spidey's wins in comic are peppered with large dose of PIS and use of terrain which is removed here forcing him to fight without environment to use against his opponents.

And if Wolverine should for some evil reason loose it's always the writers fault. But yeah it's Spider-man who's wearing writers armor.

not to metion that the powers of the character pretty much rely on environment and how likely is a situation without any? DUH

That's why I said the standard forum setting crippples him from the get go.

Originally posted by inimalist
so your argument is that continuous on panel showings of Spider-Man amount to PIS rather than an accurate guage of how powerful he is in Marvel hirearchy?

I could use the exact same logic to say that Man-Thing should beat Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by King Castle
no, but in a forum he isnt going to have a life wire laying around to use on his opponent or walls to hide behind and places to swing from to get the stealth hits from various directions.. or stuff like microwave guns, water towers, fires, water etc etc..

So you are saying without these, spiderman isn't able to beat people he is repeatedly shown as being able to beat?

its like you are saying Spiderman can't fight smart, because to do so would be PIS.

Originally posted by inimalist
So you are saying without these, spiderman isn't able to beat people he is repeatedly shown as being able to beat?

Originally posted by Starscream M
he has a point...spiderman wouldn't be able to beat sandman, elektro, hydroman without the environmental factors.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he has a point...spiderman wouldn't be able to beat sandman, elektro, hydroman without the environmental factors.

Or would he defeat Omega Red or Sabertooth or Apocalypse by forum rules?

Or even Daken.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he has a point...spiderman wouldn't be able to beat sandman, elektro, hydroman without the environmental factors.

"beat" as in, "put down in some permanent and decisive way", sure, beat as in "do better in a fight", idk

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Would Wolverine?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
And here we have the epitome of hypocrisy again, while Spider-man is like you like to say 24/7 protected by "writers armor" while Wolverine's "feats" are all 100% legit even if a character suddenly decides to take a big dump on half of his power set or Wolverine had the moment of suprise, I still recall your wankfest after Count Nefaria.

And if Wolverine should for some evil reason loose it's always the writers fault. But yeah it's Spider-man who's wearing writers armor.

not to metion that the powers of the character pretty much rely on environment and how likely is a situation without any? DUH

That's why I said the standard forum setting cripples him from the get go.

i crackled jokes on Count Nefarai so what? i never denied, gave or took anything from that fight b/c frankly i didnt care.

Writers dump more on Wolvie B/c it's hard to put him down which is why they dumb down his personality and even dismiss his history for a craptacular gore fest writing.

it is more likely for venom to ram his tentacles into logan when he catches him then it is for venom to do the same to Spiderman b/c he doesnt have a healing factor.

it's more likely for Electro to go massive electro explosion ala Nitro on Logan then it is for Spiderman since he lacks a healing Factor..
so yeah Spiderman and various heroes benefit from writer protection from time to time especially spiderman.

Originally posted by inimalist
"beat" as in, "put down in some permanent and decisive way", sure, beat as in "be a better in a fight", idk

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah, of course.

Is there one that had Logan on the ropes/beat him?

Originally posted by King Castle
Rhino - one swipe and Rhino shitted his pants
Electro pwned off-panel, Logan's uniform was intact
lizard Logan was holding back and still stomped him
Vermin Vermin had Bloodscream backing him up and still got two-shotted

Carnage - BC Wolverine stalemated him, for most part of the fight he had only one set of claws.

Venom and his clone - those were actually decent fights.

Puma - tricked by drugged Logan.

Doc Ock - was getting owned on two occasions in alternate realities.

Kingpin - defeated in a swordfight in a What if.

Shocker, Scorpion, Constrictor, Boomerang (all amped) - beaten in Secret War. It was a team fight though and we saw only some flashbacks.

Originally posted by SamZED
You mean where Logan beat him or the other way around? They both have defeated each other in the past.

The other way around.

Venom's defeated Wolverine? I thought there was a double KO and Logan recovered first or something?

"various heroes benefit from writer protection from time to time"
This is true.

"especially spiderman"
This isnt. Just because you blame every instance on writers protection doesnt mean its so. In fact some of Wolverine's villains get more downplayed for Logan to stand a chance against them than Spider-man's villain ever will.

Electro thing was retconned.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The other way around.

Venom's defeated Wolverine? I thought there was a double KO and Logan recovered first or something?

Originally posted by Starscream M
be better in a fight? how would that be defined?

ha, that is actually a good question. I mean he has problems against those people because their powerset makes them immune to the types of attacks spiderman can make, not that they are an inherently more powerful character. IMHO, it's not that spidey would lose to people like hydroman or electro without such "pis", just that he needs to find a creative way to do it with his powerset. like I said, IMHO at least.

Originally posted by SamZED
Electro thing was retconned.

Was it retconned before or after Logan handed him his ass on a platter?

Originally posted by SamZED
Electro thing was retconned.

Well, since KC mentioned writers armor, the time you've mentioned Venom was doing better but got koed after jumping from a whaterfall. And the guy jumped off a plane in the past.

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