for the final time
they are equal, and anyone would be hard pressed to prove otherwise...unless you use feats, which arguably Zeus has few but thats only due to Marvel wankage of the Norse pantheon, and no writer being able to properly write the greeks, i mean leading up to the CW arc Pak had them making deals with Osborn wtf
and FYI The Greek Pantheon is technically stronger than the Norse one seeing as how the have 2 psuedo-skyfathers (Pluto, Poseidon) and Zeus...while the Asgardians have a high herald and only one skyfather
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You guys should read my post. Educate yourselves.10/10? Better than odds than I'd have given him.
Why not 10/10 in favor of Odin?
The only way Zeus can get a victory is if Odin completely neglects his ability to amp up...period.
If Odin simply amps up off of Asgard and doesnt touch the spiritual energies of the Asgardians, its a 10/10 stomp...
If Odin amps off of both its pure spite...
So unless Odin is not giving it his all (and is thus holding back) Zeus cant get a single win against Odin...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Why not 10/10 in favor of Odin?The only way Zeus can get a victory is if Odin completely neglects his ability to amp up...period.
If Odin simply amps up off of Asgard and doesnt touch the spiritual energies of the Asgardians, its a 10/10 stomp...
If Odin amps off of both its pure spite...
So unless Odin is not giving it his all (and is thus holding back) Zeus cant get a single win against Odin...
op said nothing of amping so y use that angle?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
op said nothing of amping so y use that angle?
The OP didnt place any restrictions on the use of Odins power; it simply said it was h2h only...so why cant Odin use the Odin Force to amp his strength?
He does it all the time against Surter; here, of course, he'd be taking it a step further and calling on the energies he gave to Asgard as well though...
That seems fair game seeing as the OP didnt forbid it...
Originally posted by Sin I AM
they are equal, and anyone would be hard pressed to prove otherwise...unless you use feats, which arguably Zeus has few but thats only due to Marvel wankage of the Norse pantheon, and no writer being able to properly write the greeks, i mean leading up to the CW arc Pak had them making deals with Osborn wtfand FYI The Greek Pantheon is technically stronger than the Norse one seeing as how the have 2 psuedo-skyfathers (Pluto, Poseidon) and Zeus...while the Asgardians have a high herald and only one skyfather
It wouldn't be hard to prove it at all. If Odin didn't have the restrictions that he has shown, I would be hard pressed to prove that he is superior to Zeus without using feats but unfortunately he has. Ignoring Asgard and the Asgardians, he has shown superior power reserves. As such, it makes sense that he has better feats than Zeus.
The only way Zeus could win this thread is if Odin is gimped and is stuck at using his base level power.
This no limit fallacy that people apply to Zeus when it comes to comparing him to Odin is asinine.
The Greek Pantheon is not stronger than the Norse Pantheon. Poseidon does have a counterpart with Njord who was in mythology one of the more powerful Asgardians IIRC but his only been seen like twice I think. I'm not going to assume their equals. Odin is more than enough of a counter for Zeus, and Hela is at least a match for Pluto.
Put Thor in the Destroyer, and he'd run a train on the rest of Olympus. We also have the Norn Stones, the Twilight Sword, the Sword of Frey in the Asgardian armory.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It wouldn't be hard to prove it at all. If Odin didn't have the restrictions that he has shown, I would be hard pressed to prove that he is superior to Zeus without using feats but unfortunately he has. Ignoring Asgard and the Asgardians, he has shown superior power reserves. As such, it makes sense that he has better feats than Zeus.The only way Zeus could win this thread is if Odin is gimped and is stuck at using his base level power.
This no limit fallacy that people apply to Zeus when it comes to comparing him to Odin is asinine.
The Greek Pantheon is not stronger than the Norse Pantheon. Poseidon does have a counterpart with Njord who was in mythology one of the more powerful Asgardians IIRC but his only been seen like twice I think. I'm not going to assume their equals. Odin is more than enough of a counter for Zeus, and Hela is at least a match for Pluto.
Put Thor in the Destroyer, and he'd run a train on the rest of Olympus. We also have the Norn Stones, the Twilight Sword, the Sword of Frey in the Asgardian armory.
so you agree, that at base form and without amping Zeus (which is whats set in the op) is Odins superior?
Who cares about the Asgardians armory, im pretty sure if the writers were interested they'd find just as many weapons in Hephaestus forge. Noone seems to care about the Olympians which is why they get no face time.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
so you agree, that at base form and without amping Zeus (which is whats set in the op) is Odins superior?Who cares about the Asgardians armory, im pretty sure if the writers were interested they'd find just as many weapons in Hephaestus forge. Noone seems to care about the Olympians which is why they get no face time.
Why would I agree to that? Where does the opening post say that they aren't allowed to amp their stats?
I and a lot of other people do. Your not really big on using actual evidence are you?
Greg Pak is. There still a poor mans Asgard.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would I agree to that? Where does the opening post say that they aren't allowed to amp their stats?I and a lot of other people do. Your not really big on using actual evidence are you?
Greg Pak is. There still a poor mans Asgard.
op says h2h, so its easy to assess that he means h2h otherwise he/she would have stated, use "exotic powers".
And your stalling
Originally posted by Sin I AM
op says h2h, so its easy to assess that he means h2h otherwise he/she would have stated, use "exotic powers".And your stalling
Who said anything about exotic powers? OP said it's hand to hand. Meaning they can still amp their stats.
Lol what? Stalling how and regarding what?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Who said anything about exotic powers? OP said it's hand to hand. Meaning they can still amp their stats.Lol what? Stalling how and regarding what?
if they amp their stats by drawing from outside sources then the fight is no longer just h2h, i cant make that point more clearer.
At base without power amping, Twilight Sword, energy siphon from Asgard, Destroyer Armor, Rune magic, Norn Stones, etc just plain Ole One Eye.... is Odin IYO superior to Zeus?
the Olympians are actually a small group of gods compared to the Asgardian Realm.
and if we take the Asgardians at their best there are more then just a two or three skyfathers since Odin's aesirs were also high lvl sorcerers in the trans/skyfather as well.
even then Loki, enchantress/sisters, Hela, Karnilla, Odin, Thor, kelda and the old forgotten characters that arent written about in the last two decades like: Hermod, Hoder
Originally posted by Sin I AM
if they amp their stats by drawing from outside sources then the fight is no longer just h2h, i cant make that point more clearer.At base without power amping, Twilight Sword, energy siphon from Asgard, Destroyer Armor, Rune magic, Norn Stones, etc just plain Ole One Eye.... is Odin IYO superior to Zeus?
That isn't the tactic I presented but I still have to ask, why wouldn't it still be hand to hand? Superman draws on ambient Solar energy, Surfer draws on ambient Cosmic energy and the Hulk draws on ambient Gamma energy and you can still make hand to hand battles with them without gimping their reserves. Odin can go punch for punch while drawing on the energy placed in Asgardians or Asgard if he so chooses to.
What do you mean by amping? Odin doesn't need to recall the energy he placed into Asgard or the Asgardians to become more powerful than Zeus. He can simply enter his full powered mode. I've seen nothing to prove that Zeus has the same reserves like Odin. No limit fallacies won't fly here.
Still, even at base, if I had to pick only one, it'd be Odin. If nothing else, he has superior feats.