Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe fight went exactly as I described it. Thor and Hyperion went toe to toe until he used his superior combat speed to get the advantage. And that's was it. An advantage. Here's literally the next page that we see them on:
Hyperion was weakened at that point. He even states it like a panel later I think.
I just re-read a couple issues. Not only was hyperion and the rest of the ss powers cut in half because of the alternate ss being there, but hyperion was further weakened by the infection that the government had made specifically to kill him. You can see the fungus on his hand as thor strikes him with mjolnir in one of the scans that you posted.
Originally posted by Sirius77and he was still generally stronger while infected. ultimate thor was no high herald
Hyperion was weakened at that point. He even states it like a panel later I think.I just re-read a couple issues. Not only was hyperion and the rest of the ss powers cut in half because of the alternate ss being there, but hyperion was further weakened by the infection that the government had made specifically to kill him. You can see the fungus on his hand as thor strikes him with mjolnir in one of the scans that you posted.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Hyperion was weakened at that point. He even states it like a panel later I think.I just re-read a couple issues. Not only was hyperion and the rest of the ss powers cut in half because of the alternate ss being there, but hyperion was further weakened by the infection that the government had made specifically to kill him. You can see the fungus on his hand as thor strikes him with mjolnir in one of the scans that you posted.
What? Where does it say that?
For the last time, the split happened after that fight.
Like I said, mere contact for a few seconds will not do any noticeable decrease in power based on Ultimate Power #3 where he was in their presence for an extremely long time and even flew into a large organism, ripping it's heart out or some such. Granted, the first time he was in their presence, he started sweating which is weird based on what I described happening later. Guess he built a resistance or something.
The organism emitted a radiation that weakened him but it wasn't kryptonite or anything. Where a touch will have him collapsing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Where does it say that?For the last time, the split happened after that fight.
Like I said, mere contact for a few seconds will not do any noticeable decrease in power based on Ultimate Power #3 where he was in their presence for an extremely long time and even flew into a large organism, ripping it's heart out or some such. Granted, the first time he was in their presence, he started sweating which is weird based on what I described happening later. Guess he built a resistance or something.
The organism emitted a radiation that weakened him but it wasn't kryptonite or anything. Where a touch will have him collapsing.
Why did Thor get curbed stomped the first round? If he was on hyperions level he would have showed it during their first encounter but instead, he got treated like a step child and koed with his own hammer (which hyperion grabbed and used physical strength to over power the enchantment.).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Where does it say that?For the last time, the split happened after that fight.
Like I said, mere contact for a few seconds will not do any noticeable decrease in power based on Ultimate Power #3 where he was in their presence for an extremely long time and even flew into a large organism, ripping it's heart out or some such. Granted, the first time he was in their presence, he started sweating which is weird based on what I described happening later. Guess he built a resistance or something.
The organism emitted a radiation that weakened him but it wasn't kryptonite or anything. Where a touch will have him collapsing.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/UltimatePower07-18.jpg
Notice the infection on Hyperion's hand.
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/thorhyperion2.jpg/
Also notice the fact that the infection has taken over the city, even during the fight with hyperion.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpg
The split happened during the second fight though, I just read it. I do see your point about the infection possibly not affecting him in the first fight, but that just kind of shows how the fight would go if he was near full power. Thor hit him in the mouth with the axe end of mjolnir in the first fight and hyperion just kept fighting.
My bad rage, I didn't read all of your post correctly. Here is where everyone says it.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/AA-UltPower08-008.jpg
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/AA-UltPower08-009-010.jpg
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/AA-UltPower08-011.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Why did Thor get curbed stomped the first round? If he was on hyperions level he would have showed it during their first encounter but instead, he got treated like a step child and koed with his own hammer (which hyperion grabbed and used physical strength to over power the enchantment.).
Curb stomped? Hyperion knocked Thor down, not out. How many times do I have to tell you this before it sinks in? It's like talking to a god damn wall. Seriously, all he did was outmaneuver Thor with his superior combat speed. Actually, that was their second encounter.
Ultimate Thor's Mjolnir has no enchantment. IIRC, it's just really heavy, which is why Thor is surprised anyone but him had the strength to lift it.
Originally posted by Sirius77
It says it in the scan below.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/UltimatePower07-18.jpg
Notice the infection on Hyperion's hand.
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/thorhyperion2.jpg/
Also notice the fact that the infection has taken over the city, even during the fight with hyperion.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpgThe split happened during the second fight though, I just read it. I do see your point about the infection possibly not affecting him in the first fight, but that just kind of shows how the fight would go if he was near full power. Thor hit him in the mouth with the axe end of mjolnir in the first fight and hyperion just kept fighting.
You’re not saying anything I did. I would have agreed that it would be no real estimate of Hyperion’s capabilities but after the radiation initially hurt him in #3, he either built a resistance or the attacks come in waves.
His first encounter with them had him sweating in the near vicinity:
http://img594.imageshack.us/i/weak1.jpg/
He then spent time with his teammates in direct or near direct contact with them trying to defeat them:
http://img87.imageshack.us/i/weak2.jpg/
Then he was actually hurt by the radiation in a really noticeable way:
http://img37.imageshack.us/i/weak3.jpg/
He seemed to get better however and even flew through one of the things coming out looking almost healthier than he did before the dip -if that makes sense- and it had no lasting side effects (At least as far as we saw):
http://img291.imageshack.us/i/weak4c.jpg/
http://img594.imageshack.us/i/weak5.jpg/
Like I said, either he built a resistance that would allow him to be in their vicinity for at least a brief period of time (As he wasn't completely immune as we saw later on) or it hit him in waves. That's the only way I can explain it.
Based on that, I do not think some skin contact for a handful of seconds would have changed much if anything. At the very least blasting him out of the sky, is all Thor.
Originally posted by Sirius77
My bad rage, I didn't read all of your post correctly. Here is where everyone says it.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/AA-UltPower08-008.jpg
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/AA-UltPower08-009-010.jpg
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/AA-UltPower08-011.jpg
Like I said a page or two ago, the split happened after Thor had him at his mercy.
Hyperion is clearly faster, perhaps slightly stronger (I don't think so however. Not based on how easily Thor handled Zarda when pissed. It's not something Hyperion's inferior would be able to do from what I remember), with Thor being more versatile and more powerful.
the poison weakened him progressively. as the effects built up and the fungus grwe irradiating more poison, he keeled over. it's not that he got better for a while, but that he was managing more or less to push through it and remain functional, although weakned, no further explanation is necessary. IIRC by the time those things got that big he had already been infected with them for a while.
Originally posted by carver9
Nuul, how about you stop following me around like a little cheerleader.
You have made stuff up about Supreme Hyperion before to me because you hadn't read the cominc. It bugs people srug
Originally posted by carver9
😕Rage, they only had one legit fight.
Yup and it happened before Mark's powers were halved.
Edit: Anyways, Colossus gets a severe beating.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You’re not saying anything I did. I would have agreed that it would be no real estimate of Hyperion’s capabilities but after the radiation initially hurt him in #3, he either built a resistance or the attacks come in waves.His first encounter with them had him sweating in the near vicinity:
http://img594.imageshack.us/i/weak1.jpg/He then spent time with his teammates in direct or near direct contact with them trying to defeat them:
http://img87.imageshack.us/i/weak2.jpg/Then he was actually hurt by the radiation in a really noticeable way:
http://img37.imageshack.us/i/weak3.jpg/He seemed to get better however and even flew through one of the things coming out looking almost healthier than he did before the dip -if that makes sense- and it had no lasting side effects (At least as far as we saw):
http://img291.imageshack.us/i/weak4c.jpg/
http://img594.imageshack.us/i/weak5.jpg/Like I said, either he built a resistance that would allow him to be in their vicinity for at least a brief period of time (As he wasn't completely immune as we saw later on) or it hit him in waves. That's the only way I can explain it.
Based on that, I do not think some skin contact for a handful of seconds would have changed much if anything. At the very least blasting him out of the sky, is all Thor.
I don't see how this proves Hyperion's immunity to the substance. He seemed to be weak to it in all of the scans, I think when he flew through it, that was just a look of determination as opposed to a sickly look and due to all of the infection all over him, you couldn't really see the sweat. The only reason why he wasn't in the last scan was because he wasn't in it's direct vicinity, so I guess he had time to recover? Didn't make sense to me either lol. Also, when thor was hitting hyperion with mjolnir, the artist clearly portrayed the substance on Hyperion's hand as to say "hey, he's weakened btw..". The stuff was everywhere, including on hyperion. They even alluded to it in pretty much every panel prior to the second fight.
As you can see here, Hyperion is literally covered with the stuff. The equivalent of this would be Thor fighting superman in a pit of kryptonite. It definitely wasn't a fair fight... the question is how can he not be weakened by this? Not only is he exposed to it, but it's literally crawling all over his naked body. There is nothing separating it from him... and he's standing in a pit of it.
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/UltimatePower07-25.jpg
So at the very least, he was in the process of being affected in the first fight and was maybe taking a little longer than normal to weaken, but I would imagine, by the look of him in the second fight and the stark contrast between him casually knocking out thor with his own hammer after standing up to a nova blast from jonny and not blinking, then blasting out of the invisible woman's ff with a single shot of hv that he was very much weakened in the second fight. I think that the only accurate portrayal of the fight, without outside forces, is hyperion's showing in the first fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said a page or two ago, the split happened after Thor had him at his mercy.Hyperion is clearly faster, perhaps slightly stronger (I don't think so however. Not based on how easily Thor handled Zarda when pissed. It's not something Hyperion's inferior would be able to do from what I remember), with Thor being more versatile and more powerful.
It happened during the second fight, perhaps slightly before the x-men arrived, which would take place close to the beginning of or at most in the middle of the second fight. Also, Thor had hyperion at his mercy because he shot a lightning bolt at him while he was weakened and exposed to his weakness directly. This is not to say that a lightning bolt would not have affected him before, but just not like that. There was obviously something wrong. Either thor recieved some crazy super-saiyan 3-esk amp between being knocked out and hyperion being exposed to the infection, or hyperion was weakened from continued exposure to a substance made for the very purpose of killing him.
I've always seen Zarda as below Hyperion, and physically, she has been portrayed as exactly that. Although, in matters of versatility, regen, mastery of her powers and overall intelligence, she outclasses him. Imo, that's why they had her fighting the thing in ultimate power as opposed to thor, because of the difference in her strength in comparison to hyperion's. Her abilities were more versatile and slightly more ambiguous than hyperion's innate brawn and durability. That was what I took from her portrayal in supreme power, that she was more of a wonder woman archetype, while hyperion was more of a superman archetype. I also took from the recent comic featuring ult thor that he has received somewhat of an amp from his rebirth. Zarda didn't have a bad showing considering how powerful thor had apparently become after his rebirth. It would be interesting to see him and hyperion do battle in this incarnation.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah I read a little bit of thor during ultimatum, but what actually boosted him?In all fairness, in the hyperion fight, hyperion was winning until something cut all of the ss powers in half, thats when thor started winning though.
Also, what was the deal with there being two mjolnirs in the ult storyline? There was the one with the axe on the end and the one that looked like the 616 one. That always confused me.
Originally posted by Sirius77originally it was this:
I have to admit, even though it's ridiculous... it's pretty awesome lol.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/64034/1651029-ut_10.jpg
Originally posted by King Castle
originally it was this:http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/64034/1651029-ut_10.jpg
because that needs full page splash art...
talk about subtle...
Originally posted by King Castle
originally it was this:http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/64034/1651029-ut_10.jpg
Yeah I read that and was confused, but I think that this cleared up the timelines for me. So this is before ultimatum right?
