Also has other legendary weapons Skorm's Bow which belonged to a god has Lightning Element and twice the piercing, Arken's Crossbow has Flame Element, twice the piercing and Silver Element which kills holy creatures, Katana's Hiryu Flame Element and really Sharpening, Wellow's Pickhammer which is really light and is 3x's the piercing. Oh yeah there's a god called Avo who made Avo's Tear
Originally posted by Remi8193
The level mechanics kind of does because it changes the look of the fireball as you upgrade its and causes more explosions, wth your asking me does it destroy buildings even though Jack of Blades burn Oakvale down to the ground.
Bigger explosions, more gameplay damage, yes. That is still nothing when you can't give a feat. If you do not have an example of a fireball destroying something, you can't say it's that powerful. I don't really care what Jack of Blades has done, as we're discussing the Hero. Yes, the Hero defeated him, but that does not make the Hero's fireball stronger by any stretch of the imagination.
Hero can easily avoid the black hole aswell with his Assassin's Rush which makes him fast as the speed of light, can slow time down and his Berserker increases his speed which can get him to voice it. Can also create a barrier which I said before, which is called Physical Shield.
Even if that was the speed of light, which it is not, you should know that even light cannot escape a black hole. That's why they're black. Assassin's rush is more of a teleport, which X can also do. You do not need to be lightspeed to do what Assassin's Rush does. He can't be moving that fast for long, either. X can also stop time, and he's regularly at supersonic speeds.
What has Physical Shield actually blocked?
That doesn't mean anything, he defeated Jack of Blade who also uses the same spells as Hero and also Turn into a freaking Dragon.
He can easily lift up a Hammer and swing lightly if his Strength is high enough and also has Toughness which makes his bones stronger able to punch a boulder and a building because he would able to feel anything plus he has super strength with his Berserker.
What has Jack of Blades done with his spells, then? You said he burned Oakvale, do you know if he used a fireball specifically to do this? Do you have any examples to give of the power of these spells or the Dragon form?
Megaman can lift a castle. That is much ,much heavier than a hammer or boulder. How much does Berserker increase strength? Has the Hero lifted something heavier or as heavy as a castle under Berserk or otherwise?
The sword drains his life and gives it to him, also halve's his defence, thanks to the augment that's already fitted on there.
Cool. Megaman X can do similar, and increase his defense with certain armors, to the point that giant lasers, missiles, and bullets don't much affect him. I've no doubt that the sword can hurt X, but I'm still not convinced that's enough for the Hero to win.
Can the Hero use Assassin's Rush, Berserk, etc. at the same time?
Originally posted by The Scenario
Bigger explosions, more gameplay damage, yes. That is still nothing when you can't give a feat. If you do not have an example of a fireball destroying something, you can't say it's that powerful. I don't really care what Jack of Blades has done, as we're discussing the Hero. Yes, the Hero defeated him, but that does not make the Hero's fireball stronger by any stretch of the imagination.Even if that was the speed of light, which it is not, you should know that even light cannot escape a black hole. That's why they're black. Assassin's rush is more of a teleport, which X can also do. You do not need to be lightspeed to do what Assassin's Rush does. He can't be moving that fast for long, either. X can also stop time, and he's regularly at supersonic speeds.
What has Physical Shield actually blocked?
What has Jack of Blades done with his spells, then? You said he burned Oakvale, do you know if he used a fireball specifically to do this? Do you have any examples to give of the power of these spells or the Dragon form?
Megaman can lift a castle. That is much ,much heavier than a hammer or boulder. How much does Berserker increase strength? Has the Hero lifted something heavier or as heavy as a castle under Berserk or otherwise?
Cool. Megaman X can do similar, and increase his defense with certain armors, to the point that giant lasers, missiles, and bullets don't much affect him. I've no doubt that the sword can hurt X, but I'm still not convinced that's enough for the Hero to win.
Can the Hero use Assassin's Rush, Berserk, etc. at the same time?
What you mean its not it says it is in the description, I'm playing the game right now. Hero is not light though I'm just saying the Spell he use is fast as the speed of light it says in the description "Propels the caster through space in the blink of an eye. If a victim is targeted, the spell enables the caster to move behind this unfortunate instantaneously" Blink of an eye the same speed as moving as the speed of light, because only takes 1 second for you to blink and to turn on the flashlight. Hero also at Supersonic Speed aswell because Jack speed is supersonic.
Physical Shield can block Magic and other physical damage.
Berserker increase's 10x's his strength because when I very weak strength level I equiped a heavy weapon which was to slow for me to wield but I used Berserker and he swings it really fast like it was nothing.
Description: "Sends the caster into a hulking frenzy, increasing speed and strength, while conversely decreasing reason and civilized manners. Higher levels allow the caster to become even more powerful, and to maintain this state for longer."
Hero has a beam move called Divine Fury which channels the white-hot fury of the gods into concentrated beams that hit within a certain radius. Has similar move to the Black Vortex called Infernal Wraith is a dark spell calls forth vortices of energy from the nether realms. A portal opens beneath each victim, draining their life into the underworld.
Yes he can use any Physcial spells at the same time, I used Berserker and Physical Shield before. Also Assassin's Rush but that like a casting spell then a support spell.
What about Turncoat, turns X into an Ally then they both win because of the power of friend or if Hero choose's the evil path and slice's his head off. Off course the sword can hurt him since its was forged by Avo who is an actual God on Fable.
Originally posted by Remi8193
Yeah Jack and Hero there both Archons, and Hero defeated Jack twice.
How does this make the Hero's fireball able to destroy a building?
What you mean its not it says it is in the description, I'm playing the game right now. Hero is not light though I'm just saying the Spell he use is fast as the speed of light it says in the description "Propels the caster through space in the blink of an eye. If a victim is targeted, the spell enables the caster to move behind this unfortunate instantaneously" Blink of an eye the same speed as moving as the speed of light, because only takes 1 second for you to blink and to turn on the flashlight. Hero also at Supersonic Speed aswell because Jack speed is supersonic.
That's still not even close to the speed of light. A human blinking their eyes takes about 300-400 milliseconds, or 1/3 to 1/4 of a second. In 300 milliseconds, something moving at lightspeed could have circled the Earth twice. In the time it takes to blink, light has traveled over 90, 000 miles (all figures estimated). So, no, there's no way the Hero is even close to the speed of light, even with Assassin's Rush. Further, the dsecription says it's propelling the Hero through space, right? That's a teleport. Should the Hero teleport behind X, X will still detect it and react before the Hero can attack.
Where does it say Jack is supersonic?
Physical Shield can block Magic and other physical damage.
Like what? Give an example. Does it block just swords and axes, fireballs?
Actually, I just looked it up. Looks like it just translates health damage into mana drain. In other words, when X hits him, it'll drain the Hero's mana,leaving him unable to cast other spells. Oh, and fireball has a 2 second charge time? That's useless against X.
Berserker increase's 10x's his strength because when I very weak strength level I equiped a heavy weapon which was to slow for me to wield but I used Berserker and he swings it really fast like it was nothing.Description: "Sends the caster into a hulking frenzy, increasing speed and strength, while conversely decreasing reason and civilized manners. Higher levels allow the caster to become even more powerful, and to maintain this state for longer."
Was the strength stat actually multiplied by 10 or are you guessing at that one? Having checked the wiki, it simply does extra damage, to a bit over double damage. So 2.5 times increase at the most.
What alignment is the Hero again? Physical Shield is good spell, while Berserk is classified as evil. I don't think the Hero can use both as efficiently as you describe. His mana is going to be taking major hits from all this casting.
Hero has a beam move called Divine Fury which channels the white-hot fury of the gods into concentrated beams that hit within a certain radius. Has similar move to the Black Vortex called Infernal Wraith is a dark spell calls forth vortices of energy from the nether realms. A portal opens beneath each victim, draining their life into the underworld.
Both having a 2-3 second charge time, and being on opposite sides of the alignment spectrum. Assuming X does not kill the Hero while he sits there vulnerable and charging, the Hero should not be able to use both at full strength. Please pick one, good or evil.
Yes he can use any Physcial spells at the same time, I used Berserker and Physical Shield before. Also Assassin's Rush but that like a casting spell then a support spell.
'k, I don't see te Hero keeping up that rate of casting for very long, unless he has tons of mana or can refill it faster than it depletes.
What about Turncoat, turns X into an Ally then they both win because of the power of friend or if Hero choose's the evil path and slice's his head off. Off course the sword can hurt him since its was forged by Avo who is an actual God on Fable.
How does that spell work on robots? In any case, X has resisted manipulations of the mind before, like the Maverick Virus. SoI don't see that one working.
Originally posted by Remi8193I would like to point out Skorm is not a god, nor does Skorm actually exist.
Also has other legendary weapons Skorm's Bow which belonged to a god has Lightning Element and twice the piercing, Arken's Crossbow has Flame Element, twice the piercing and Silver Element which kills holy creatures, Katana's Hiryu Flame Element and really Sharpening, Wellow's Pickhammer which is really light and is 3x's the piercing. Oh yeah there's a god called Avo who made Avo's Tear
Originally posted by The Scenario
How does this make the Hero's fireball able to destroy a building?That's still not even close to the speed of light. A human blinking their eyes takes about 300-400 milliseconds, or 1/3 to 1/4 of a second. In 300 milliseconds, something moving at lightspeed could have circled the Earth twice. In the time it takes to blink, light has traveled over 90, 000 miles (all figures estimated). So, no, there's no way the Hero is even close to the speed of light, even with Assassin's Rush. Further, the dsecription says it's propelling the Hero through space, right? That's a teleport. Should the Hero teleport behind X, X will still detect it and react before the Hero can attack.
Where does it say Jack is supersonic?
Like what? Give an example. Does it block just swords and axes, fireballs?
Actually, I just looked it up. Looks like it just translates health damage into mana drain. In other words, when X hits him, it'll drain the Hero's mana,leaving him unable to cast other spells. Oh, and fireball has a 2 second charge time? That's useless against X.
Was the strength stat actually multiplied by 10 or are you guessing at that one? Having checked the wiki, it simply does extra damage, to a bit over double damage. So 2.5 times increase at the most.
What alignment is the Hero again? Physical Shield is good spell, while Berserk is classified as evil. I don't think the Hero can use both as efficiently as you describe. His mana is going to be taking major hits from all this casting.
Both having a 2-3 second charge time, and being on opposite sides of the alignment spectrum. Assuming X does not kill the Hero while he sits there vulnerable and charging, the Hero should not be able to use both at full strength. Please pick one, good or evil.
'k, I don't see te Hero keeping up that rate of casting for very long, unless he has tons of mana or can refill it faster than it depletes.
How does that spell work on robots? In any case, X has resisted manipulations of the mind before, like the Maverick Virus. SoI don't see that one working.
But 'Blink of an eye' is still fast though and you kind of put it in the same league as the speed of light.
So that's what mana potions are for. If it was like MvsC3 gameplay then he would have infinite MP.
Actually no, what I said last time I've been playing it for 3 three days. You can go Evil then back to Good o_0. I played Fable TLOC's before you can have both good and evil spells. Doesn't really matter which alignment?
How does it not work on robot's its magic?
Avo's Tear's also drain's Mana.
Originally posted by Remi8193
Well there both on there level and since Hero defeated Jack then yes he can since they both have nearly the same spells.
Can you prove that Jack used a spell called "fireball" to burn Oakvale? Otherwise, you can't claim they're the same.
But 'Blink of an eye' is still fast though and you kind of put it in the same league as the speed of light.
Not even close. As I said before, unless the Hero can use Assassin's Rush to circle the Earth not once but twice or otherwise travel 90,000 kilometers in the blink of an eye, he is not lightspeed or anywhere even close to it. From what I've seen it's not even in the supersonic range, let alone lightspeed.
X still outspeeds the Hero by a massive margin.
So that's what mana potions are for. If it was like MvsC3 gameplay then he would have infinite MP.
And I assume the Hero must pull out the potion and drink it, thereby making himself vulnerable to attack.
Actually no, what I said last time I've been playing it for 3 three days. You can go Evil then back to Good o_0. I played Fable TLOC's before you can have both good and evil spells. Doesn't really matter which alignment?
You can go from Evil to Good over the course of a single fight? From what I read if you cast a spell of opposite alignment to yourself, it costs more mana. Being Good or Evil also influence the damage of the spells, so yes, it matters.
How does it not work on robot's its magic?
But it affects the mind. Megaman X does not have a human mind. His brain is a computer A.I. Further, according to his stats, X has 2 brains, one of which is in his chest. You'd need to prove that Turncoat can affect a computer, but unfortunately Fable does not have those.
Avo's Tear's also drain's Mana.
Megaman X does not have mana. If fact, I don't think he even has Will as the Fable games define it.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Can you prove that Jack used a spell called "fireball" to burn Oakvale? Otherwise, you can't claim they're the same.Not even close. As I said before, unless the Hero can use Assassin's Rush to circle the Earth not once but twice or otherwise travel 90,000 kilometers in the blink of an eye, he is not lightspeed or anywhere even close to it. From what I've seen it's not even in the supersonic range, let alone lightspeed.
X still outspeeds the Hero by a massive margin.
And I assume the Hero must pull out the potion and drink it, thereby making himself vulnerable to attack.
You can go from Evil to Good over the course of a single fight? From what I read if you cast a spell of opposite alignment to yourself, it costs more mana. Being Good or Evil also influence the damage of the spells, so yes, it matters.
But it affects the mind. Megaman X does not have a human mind. His brain is a computer A.I. Further, according to his stats, X has 2 brains, one of which is in his chest. You'd need to prove that Turncoat can affect a computer, but unfortunately Fable does not have those.
Megaman X does not have mana. If fact, I don't think he even has Will as the Fable games define it.
Jack of Blades appearance as a boss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ub6lmDMjA&feature=related
The speed won't really matter, if the Hero has super fast reflexes thanks to his Skill and its also mean't to increase his speed aswell. They probably slowed it down for us to see. Going by the Power Grid of MvsC3 Zero's speed is 5/7, which would be the same for X since there both equally matched.
You can drink potion's while moving. He won't be vunerable, all it takes is one hand to take a potion out and the other hand to block with a sword.
No I said when your fully Evil, you can get it back to Good on the game by doing good deeds. Not in a single fight. Doesn't really matter about matter spells, back when your Neutral it has the same amount of damage and the cost of Mana.
Thought there's a saying that, "Magic works in mysterious ways". Probably won't then, doesn't stop Hero from using any other spells and also doesn't he have Flourish which can break through blocking opponents, deal's extra damage and can knock enemies down. Fable 3 improved that with Cinematic Kills.
Neither does the Balverines, Bandits, Guards, Hollows and etc. Still drains there Mana even I they don't have Mana.
Originally posted by Remi8193No, the Oracle said that a merchant stumbled upon two areas that have an usually large Will presence, one light, the other dark. He then created the gods Skorm and Avo as a scam to make money from their donations.
I thought the Oracle heard of it from a merchant who made it up? Doesn't mean that they don't exist, wouldn't surprise me since its a fantasy world.
The closest beings to gods in the Fableverse are the Court, William Black and the other Archons, and the Crawler.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No, the Oracle said that a merchant stumbled upon two areas that have an usually large Will presence, one light, the other dark. He then created the gods Skorm and Avo as a scam to make money from their donations.The closest beings to gods in the Fableverse are the Court, William Black and the other Archons, and the Crawler.
Originally posted by Remi8193
[B]Can't really find the scene where it shows you, this as far I can search on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CeGFURAHFc&feature=related
When your a child, it's revealed that Jack and his men burn it down. If a torch can burn house's down then "Fireball" can do just the same. Fire is has more radius and explosion. You can't do it in the game because, the game mechanics won't allow you too.
And I understand that. But if a fireball would just burn a house down and not blow it up entirely, it's not going to be a threat to Megaman X, who tanks missiles that blow up buildings. Fire isn't really a threat when you're designed to tank plasma.
Jack of Blades appearance as a boss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ub6lmDMjA&feature=related
The speed won't really matter, if the Hero has super fast reflexes thanks to his Skill and its also mean't to increase his speed aswell. They probably slowed it down for us to see. Going by the Power Grid of MvsC3 Zero's speed is 5/7, which would be the same for X since there both equally matched.
You can't really quantify "super fast." Both are obviously far above a normal human, but there's really no indication that they're moving faster than the speed of sound, or that they could react to such speeds. Megaman can, because he's fought a guy that moves at mach 5. And, well, X is "just better" than Megaman.
Further, Marvel vs. Capcom is not canon to any of the universes or characters featured, because it's a crossover fighting game. Power creep abounds.
You can drink potion's while moving. He won't be vunerable, all it takes is one hand to take a potion out and the other hand to block with a sword.
Which is much less effective than fighting with both hands or using a shield. Nor will that block plasma bolts larger than a person.
No I said when your fully Evil, you can get it back to Good on the game by doing good deeds. Not in a single fight. Doesn't really matter about matter spells, back when your Neutral it has the same amount of damage and the cost of Mana.
So the Hero is effectively neutral here? No extra damage on aligned spells?
Thought there's a saying that, "Magic works in mysterious ways". Probably won't then, doesn't stop Hero from using any other spells and also doesn't he have Flourish which can break through blocking opponents, deal's extra damage and can knock enemies down. Fable 3 improved that with Cinematic Kills.
That's God who works in mysterous ways, not magic. I don't see Flourish breaking through forcefields, personally.
Neither does the Balverines, Bandits, Guards, Hollows and etc. Still drains there Mana even I they don't have Mana.
So it just gives the Hero mana when he attacks.
Originally posted by The Scenario
And I understand that. But if a fireball would just burn a house down and not blow it up entirely, it's not going to be a threat to Megaman X, who tanks missiles that blow up buildings. Fire isn't really a threat when you're designed to tank plasma.You can't really quantify "super fast." Both are obviously far above a normal human, but there's really no indication that they're moving faster than the speed of sound, or that they could react to such speeds. Megaman can, because he's fought a guy that moves at mach 5. And, well, X is "just better" than Megaman.
Further, Marvel vs. Capcom is not canon to any of the universes or characters featured, because it's a crossover fighting game. Power creep abounds.
Which is much less effective than fighting with both hands or using a shield. Nor will that block plasma bolts larger than a person.
So the Hero is effectively neutral here? No extra damage on aligned spells?
That's God who works in mysterous ways, not magic. I don't see Flourish breaking through forcefields, personally.
So it just gives the Hero mana when he attacks.
But the Marvel Power Grid is the Official Power Grid and Capcom is what Capcom created specially for MvsC3.
But ain't Magic mean't to do the Impossible.
Yeah 🙂
Originally posted by Remi8193
Yeah I know it won't be effectively enough to take X down, but I'm just giving you an example. Isn't Divine Fury like a laser beam, so wouldn't that be super effective against buildings.
Maybe, if you could show it doing so.
But the Marvel Power Grid is the Official Power Grid and Capcom is what Capcom created specially for MvsC3.
It's isn't canon to the Megaman X universe, though, or at least I don't think it is. Super Smash Bros. isn't canon to Link, for example.
I don't think I could deal with Zero defeating Galactus.
But ain't Magic mean't to do the Impossible.
It's got limits. If it didn't, Jack of Blades could just snap his fingers and make the world explode. Spells can do the impossible within the limits of their description and purpose. It is just as impossible to make fire from nothing as it is to shoot unicorns from your eyes, but "fireball" can only do one of them.
Yeah 🙂
Cool.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Maybe, if you could show it doing so.It's isn't canon to the Megaman X universe, though, or at least I don't think it is. Super Smash Bros. isn't canon to Link, for example.
I don't think I could deal with Zero defeating Galactus.
It's got limits. If it didn't, Jack of Blades could just snap his fingers and make the world explode. Spells can do the impossible within the limits of their description and purpose. It is just as impossible to make fire from nothing as it is to shoot unicorns from your eyes, but "fireball" can only do one of them.
Cool.
MvsC3 is like "what if".
The Power grid is stupid because they made out that Ryu is strong as She-Hulk.
Originally posted by The ScenarioIt looks like things are mostly under control here, but I did want to underscore that the Power Grid levels given in the character bios for Marvel vs Capcom 3 are absolutely inaccurate. There are huge discrepancies between the MvC3 grids and Marvel Comics' grids. Many grid stats for the Marvel characters are straight up wrong. And the Capcom characters are horrifically flawed in relation to each other. Lol at Chris Redfield running at supersonic speeds, Chun Li being faster than the speed of light, and at Mike Haggar being as strong as the Hulk.
It's isn't canon to the Megaman X universe, though, or at least I don't think it is. Super Smash Bros. isn't canon to Link, for example.
Its still a fun game though.