I'm willing to argue the first scenario. The 2nd is another story.
Galan: Yeah, I just connected the dots on what he can do when you kept insisting on red sun energy. I couldn't think of someone on the big 7 who can do that, except for a GL. Then you said Firestorm and it clicked. We're talking about an Amazo with the collective roster of all JLA incarnations as his power.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestMeh, even if Amazo from JLA #22-23is being used, he'd still win. He certainly doesn't need ALL the League's powers to win.
I'm willing to argue the first scenario. The 2nd is another story.Galan: Yeah, I just connected the dots on what he can do when you kept insisting on red sun energy. I couldn't think of someone on the big 7 who can do that, except for a GL. Then you said Firestorm and it clicked. We're talking about an Amazo with the collective roster of all JLA incarnations as his power.
He would require Zatanna's in order to ensure a victory. Weakness exploitation on an energy manipulator like fs level wouldnt cut it imo. It's been tried by sunboy and others and didnt seem to slow him down. Amazo with Zatanna's abilities would probably need to conjure a red sun or something like that just off the top of my head. Then Amazo would win.
Originally posted by Sirius77You underestimate Firestorm. A single red sun radiation blast Amazo conjured upon utilizing Firestorm's abilities, took Superman out for almost the entire comic:
He would require Zatanna's in order to ensure a victory. Weakness exploitation on an energy manipulator like fs level wouldnt cut it imo. It's been tried by sunboy and others and didnt seem to slow him down. Amazo with Zatanna's abilities would probably need to conjure a red sun or something like that just off the top of my head. Then Amazo would win.
Prime is no more resistant to red sun than Superman is.
I'm not underestimating Firestorm, I'm just basing Prime's resistance off of his past showings. Based upon what we've seen, the only thing that has actually weakened him to the point of powerlessness is being flown through a red sun. He's been exposed to and fired upon by red star and sunboy both covered in red solar radiation and blasted by both. In the first scenario he was already solar starved. All I've seen him say is something like "It burns!" or something similar, but it never actually halted his attacks sufficiently. That's the only reason why I'm saying that Amazo needs Zatanna's abilities in order to defeat Prime for a healthy majority for absolute certain. Other than that, I'm basically agreeing with you.
^ I understand, but my point is that a single red sun blast from Amazo completely incapacitated Superman -- and there in no proof that Prime is any more resistant to red sun radiation than Superman. In fact, based on IC #7, they have roughly the same resistance in that area (as both were depowered upon flying through the sun.)
Regardless, even if you do think Prime can tank red sun radiation better than Supes, what's stopping Amazo from using his Flash-esque speed to hit Prime with numerous red sun blasts in a fraction of a second?
Originally posted by Galan007
^ I understand, but my point is that a single red sun blast from Amazo completely incapacitated Superman -- and there in no proof that Prime is any more resistant to red sun radiation than Superman. In fact, based on IC #7, they have roughly the same resistance in that area (as both were depowered upon flying through the sun.)Regardless, even if you do think Prime can tank red sun radiation better than Supes, what's stopping Amazo from using his Flash-esque speed to hit Prime with numerous red sun blasts in a fraction of a second?
Yeah I see what you're saying, I saw that they were equally affected, but the IC thing kind of confused me. Didn't it seem like after that he'd just be like "Oh no! My weakness!" and then keep fighting anyway lol? I just think that Prime is kind of a funny character in that he reacts like a kid that's scraped his knee. He's okay but he still screams and cries like it's the end of the world lol. Who knows. Maybe Prime's physical stats are higher so they remain longer? It's conjecture on my part admittedly, but it's my best explanation for his showings against red sun radiation.
Hmm. Good point. That would be somewhat of a hax combo for almost anyone come to think of it.There should be more threads with him in them imo.
Originally posted by Sirius77When they flew through the red sun, Prime became so depowered that he was unable to utilize his HV at all. That says a lot because even when he started getting his ass kicked towards the end of his Tales of the Sinestro Corps issue (due to him *supposedly* not absorbing any solar radiation, AND the battle taking place at night), he was STILL able to not only utilize HV, but said HV remained potent enough to pierce through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Point being: Prime must have been truly powerless (and not just whining) after being flown through the red sun if he couldn't use HV whatsoever.
Yeah I see what you're saying, I saw that they were equally affected, but the IC thing kind of confused me. Didn't it seem like after that he'd just be like "Oh no! My weakness!" and then keep fighting anyway lol? I just think that Prime is kind of a funny character in that he reacts like a kid that's scraped his knee. He's okay but he still screams and cries like it's the end of the world lol. Who knows. Maybe Prime's physical stats are higher so they remain longer? It's conjecture on my part admittedly, but it's my best explanation for his showings against red sun radiation.Hmm. Good point. That would be somewhat of a hax combo for almost anyone come to think of it.There should be more threads with him in them imo.
I agree.
Originally posted by Galan007
When they flew through the red sun, Prime became so depowered that he was unable to utilize his HV at all. That says a lot because even when he started getting his ass kicked towards the end of his Tales of the Sinestro Corps issue (due to him *supposedly* not absorbing any solar radiation, AND the battle taking place at night), he was STILL able to not only utilize HV, but said HV remained potent enough to pierce through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Point being: Prime must have been truly powerless (and not just whining) after being flown through the red sun if he couldn't use HV whatsoever.
That's what I was saying. He appeared to be completely depowered in IC after being flown through the red sun, but then in SC, he was exposed again while weakened and then was still able to fight off teams. In the same light, superman took a year iirc to get his powers back afterwards (although they came back better than before). This conversation is actually making me think a lot more about IC and the things that it affected lol. I had never really thought of any of these points.
Originally posted by Galan007
When they flew through the red sun, Prime became so depowered that he was unable to utilize his HV at all. That says a lot because even when he started getting his ass kicked towards the end of his Tales of the Sinestro Corps issue (due to him *supposedly* not absorbing any solar radiation, AND the battle taking place at night), he was STILL able to not only utilize HV, but said HV remained potent enough to pierce through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Point being: Prime must have been truly powerless (and not just whining) after being flown through the red sun if he couldn't use HV whatsoever.I agree.
I think that could of been him just getting out of the speed force where he was supposedly sapped of sunlight for years and truly needing the suit.
