Originally posted by -Pr-
I did read it.Who said anything about warnings?
We discussed this before and I think I was getting my point across to you and deep down inside you were agreeing with me BUT you didn't want to admit it (I can tell... took you to long to reply) and you decided to cut our convo short by saying "carver9, you are a step away from receiving a warning".
I can see the same thing happening again tonight.
Owning. 😈
Originally posted by carver9
We discussed this before and I think I was getting my point across to you and deep down inside you were agreeing with me BUT you didn't want to admit it (I can tell... took you to long to reply) and you decided to cut our convo short by saying "carver9, you are a step away from receiving a warning".I can see the same thing happening again tonight.
Owning. 😈
pr1983
What did i "agree but didn't want to admit it" with, pray tell?
Originally posted by Placidity
It shouldn't be.If the feat doesn't make sense or clearly contradicts what other feats show, and there is no explanation for it, then I think its PIS, even if it happens all the time. I will not abandon logic and reason.
For example if Cap beats Hulk H2H 100000 times in the comics, and there is no explanation as to how Cap is doing it - its still PIS.
Consistency alone does not dictate anything.
I can't agree with that though, it says that for some reason we know better than the people who are creating the media. The entire universe doesn't make "sense", like, the "logic" should be what people are shown as being able to do. Otherwise I'd argue that spiderman got radiation poisioning and a rash from the spiderbite, because its illogical and PIS otherwise...
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oh, ok, read carver's post, and sort of from yours and pr. I think we are approaching this in differnt ways. I would say consistency isn't defined as in "who beat who how many times", but in exactly what you guys are talking about. Like, if Starhawk can go ftl and blitz, but doesn't and gets decked by spidey, that doesn't mean I think spiderman consistently beats Starhawk. The general consistency of their powerset outside of that conflict shows why it is PIS, likewise with hulk/cap, gladiator speedblitz, etc
Originally posted by inimalist
oh, ok, read carver's post, and sort of from yours and pr. I think we are approaching this in differnt ways. I would say consistency isn't defined as in "who beat who how many times", but in exactly what you guys are talking about. Like, if Starhawk can go ftl and blitz, but doesn't and gets decked by spidey, that doesn't mean I think spiderman consistently beats Starhawk. The general consistency of their powerset outside of that conflict shows why it is PIS, likewise with hulk/cap, gladiator speedblitz, etc
exactly.
Originally posted by inimalist
I can't agree with that though, it says that for some reason we know better than the people who are creating the media. The entire universe doesn't make "sense", like, the "logic" should be what people are shown as being able to do. Otherwise I'd argue that spiderman got radiation poisioning and a rash from the spiderbite, because its illogical and PIS otherwise...---------------------------
oh, ok, read carver's post, and sort of from yours and pr. I think we are approaching this in differnt ways. I would say consistency isn't defined as in "who beat who how many times", but in exactly what you guys are talking about. Like, if Starhawk can go ftl and blitz, but doesn't and gets decked by spidey, that doesn't mean I think spiderman consistently beats Starhawk. The general consistency of their powerset outside of that conflict shows why it is PIS, likewise with hulk/cap, gladiator speedblitz, etc
So if Gladiator fought and lost to in one on one battles against Hulk, Grundy, Kalibak, Kovikt, She Hulk, Colossus, Red Hulk on more than one occasion and in every last one of their encounters he went fist cuffs with them (along with using his long range powers), you would still give him a majority in a forum fight (I know the rules PR, just want to see his response).
Originally posted by carver9
So if Gladiator fought and lost to in one on one battles against Hulk, Grundy, Kalibak, Kovikt, She Hulk, Colossus, Red Hulk on more than one occasion and in every last one of their encounters he went fist cuffs with them (along with using his long range powers), you would still give him a majority in a forum fight (I know the rules PR, just want to see his response).
my knowledge of comics isn't nearly as encyclopedic as your guys is, a couple of those guys I have no idea about at all, and I'm not too familiar with Gladiator.
I would say this though. If everytime gladiator fights, he goes fisticuffs, that is cis. Forum rules on cis would say that him engaging in fisticuffs matches his character, and we don't necessarily get to use cahracters to their optimal ability because they have personalities that dictate otherwise. But with gladiator, I don't really know. If the average gladiator fight shows him using a vast array of powers, than ya, it would sort of be pis that he just dropped it to fight someone like she hulk, who I can pretty safely say has no right fighting gladiator...
Originally posted by inimalist
I can't agree with that though, it says that for some reason we know better than the people who are creating the media. The entire universe doesn't make "sense", like, the "logic" should be what people are shown as being able to do. Otherwise I'd argue that spiderman got radiation poisioning and a rash from the spiderbite, because its illogical and PIS otherwise...
You are using the terms "sense", and "logic" in a completely different way that I did.
You are using those terms to question suspension of belief. Whereas, I use the terms in their literal definition.
Spider-man has powers because a radioactive spider modified his DNA. That makes sense.
Hulk, consistently getting beaten up by a two year old who knows karate (white belt), does not make sense given his history, powers and showings.
Originally posted by inimalist
it does if that child has a history of beating people like the hulkkid could have one shotted Juggs /shrug
Well, you were meant to assume there is no explanation given like I said previously.
Lets say the Kid is a random and gets beaten up by other kids. He is not 'special' in any way, no magic, no special circumstances etc.
Originally posted by Placiditydoes KK fall into this?
It shouldn't be.If the feat doesn't make sense or clearly contradicts what other feats show, and there is no explanation for it, then I think its PIS, even if it happens all the time. I will not abandon logic and reason.
For example if Cap beats Hulk H2H 100000 times in the comics, and there is no explanation as to how Cap is doing it - its still PIS.
Consistency alone does not dictate anything.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Definately Batman.Sure Captain America has a few, but at least he has the SSS and the indestructible shield to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does.
Batman's justification? "Oh he can do that stuff because he's Batman."
Look at that JLA fight:
* Flash (the guy so fast he perceives Superman as a statue) is charging him and Batman is somehow able to react in time to reach into his belt, draw a smoke bomb and toss it to the ground which somehow renders Flash completely helpless (let alone the fact that he could just spin his arms and blow the smoke away).
* Punches Wonder Woman and breaks his hand. Next panel he boots her in the gut and this somehow blasts all the air out of her lungs. As someone on another site put it "that's like me having the air blasted out of my lungs by an insect flying into my solar plexus," let alone that she has super-speed of her own and is a trained fighter.
* Drops Martian Manhunter with a kick to the gut. The same MM who has Superman-esque strength and speed and can phase through matter.
* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.
Worst case of PIS ever.
I saw that as an indirect parody of the Batman character. The writer would have to be a brainless ape to take that feat seriously, he'd have to have no idea whatsoever of the abilities of said characters.
Re: Re: Pis/cis
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
but the king out of those listed would have to be Batman, imo.
Agreed.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Definately Batman.Sure Captain America has a few, but at least he has the SSS and the indestructible shield to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does.
Batman's justification? "Oh he can do that stuff because he's Batman."
Look at that JLA fight:
* Flash (the guy so fast he perceives Superman as a statue) is charging him and Batman is somehow able to react in time to reach into his belt, draw a smoke bomb and toss it to the ground which somehow renders Flash completely helpless (let alone the fact that he could just spin his arms and blow the smoke away).
* Punches Wonder Woman and breaks his hand. Next panel he boots her in the gut and this somehow blasts all the air out of her lungs. As someone on another site put it "that's like me having the air blasted out of my lungs by an insect flying into my solar plexus," let alone that she has super-speed of her own and is a trained fighter.
* Drops Martian Manhunter with a kick to the gut. The same MM who has Superman-esque strength and speed and can phase through matter.
* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.
Worst case of PIS ever.
I agree with most of that but I don't have a problem with MAs being able to hurt bricks.
Re: Re: Re: Pis/cis
Originally posted by Deadline
I don't have a problem with MAs being able to hurt bricks.
Hulk can take a tank shell to the face for fun, so i have to say , i have a real problem with Captain America knocking him out.
I wouldn't expect you, wielding a rolled up magazine, to be able to level a building.
It may be pis or cis to some... But I mean saying cap can't defeat the hulk... When he has fought in Asgard.. Against the wrecking crew... Hyde... Etc... Makes light of the fact he has fought and sometimes even defeated these bricks...
As to batman and wonderwoman... Isn't there something about her having to be in motion to have super durability?
The batman Martian manhinter comment I load up to pis.
Batman is the master of pis... But hey... Writers love it