Hercules states he saved the UNIVERSE
Athena refers to creation being save. Also calls it a corrupted UNIVERSE
Cho States Galactus is the oldest entity in this UNIVERSE
You can find scans of Cho referring to all this as a "multiverse" but even Athena and hercules state all they saved was the UNIVERSE.
I used comic scans. Not a twitter of fb account as proof. Weird huh?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That was for Quan and the other Thanos *****-boys.Kandy: You're going to tell me that's not an incredibly badass way to earn your powers? They were destined for Drax, Uxas shouldn't have survived that, especially without the protective armor.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Its called Marvel continuity sucks. I assume your implying that CK and infinity being are one and the same.
Its more like a retconned of the Marvel Universe's origins.One could say FVL is saying that even Infinity Being came from CK since his implying what was the Marvel Universe like before creation.A lot of sources in the comics says CK was the beginning of everything in the Marvel Universe.Thrann in Chaos War:Chaos King already said the First Mover brought order in the Void,Darkness and Chaos in the beginning,Hera explains her plans about the Continuum and how everything in the Marvel Universe was formed in Assault on New Olympus,even Gaea said she emerge from the Void,Darkness and Chaos(CK) in Chaos War#4.
Originally posted by rotiart
Hercules states he saved the UNIVERSE
Athena refers to creation being save. Also calls it a corrupted UNIVERSE
Cho States Galactus is the oldest entity in this UNIVERSEYou can find scans of Cho referring to all this as a "multiverse" but even Athena and hercules state all they saved was the UNIVERSE.
I used comic scans. Not a twitter of fb account as proof. Weird huh?
Its weird when you don't believe Amadeus Cho's statement of CK destroying 98.76% of the Multiverse and how you say CK only destroyed one Universe and yet now you use his statement to prove Galactus is the Oldest Entity in the Universe to disprove CK is not the oldest Entity in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse?Now you're just net picking.Did you know that Multi-Eternity aka True Eternity represents all of the Multiverse(FFAnnual2001)?Which makes him Multiversal.And the fact the Chaos King was proven an abstract by Eternity(which would still represents Multi-Eternity) in Chaos War#2.There is only one Living Tribunal(which makes him Multiversal).There is only one Abraxas(which also makes him Multiversal).Now can you prove there is a Chaos King from another Universe(unless retconned of course)?FYI there is nothing wrong with asking the writers.Since the writers are the one writing this and they are the ones who could shed some light into what they write.And its funny that you are using the comic that FVL and GP wrote as proof and then complain when someone uses their interview that happens to describe what is happening in the comic event they wrote or how they describes the main baddie in said event as proof.Weird huh?
Originally posted by King KandyStill more badass. 😛 2nd, Thanos threw away the IG because he felt he was unworthy. He's never been worthy of the power he wields, something DS never had a problem with. And it's not usurping. Not on Apokolips. That's pretty much the only way you get to take over, kill off everyone who's in your way.
You said Darkseid never usurps his power. That showing is the very definition of "usurping".
Originally posted by Igniz
Its weird when you don't believe Amadeus Cho's statement of CK destroying 98.76% of the Multiverse and how you say CK only destroyed one Universe and yet now you use his statement to prove Galactus is the Oldest Entity in the Universe to disprove CK is not the oldest Entity in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse?Now you're just net picking.Did you know that Multi-Eternity aka True Eternity represents all of the Multiverse(FFAnnual2001)?Which makes him Multiversal.And the fact the Chaos King was proven an abstract by Eternity(which would still represents Multi-Eternity) in Chaos War#2.There is only one Living Tribunal(which makes him Multiversal).There is only one Abraxas(which also makes him Multiversal).Now can you prove there is a Chaos King from another Universe(unless retconned of course)?FYI there is nothing wrong with asking the writers.Since the writers are the one writing this and they are the ones who could shed some light into what they write.And its funny that you are using the comic that FVL and GP wrote as proof and then complain when someone uses their interview that happens to describe what is happening in the comic event they wrote or how they describes the main baddie in said event as proof.Weird huh?
I lolled at your entire response. You can't win on the merits so you are trying to use arguments that fly in the face of fact. Fact is Hercules himself stated he restored only a universe. Fact is Athena the goddess of wisdom says they only saved a universe...
Cho is the only one that mentions a multiverse. And he states he was told by Athena he would save the multiverse? But wait he says they only saved the universe... ON PANEL. And I debate with comics. Not reaching out to use wikis or twitter or whatever that people who don't know how to debate have to do. Really. Try and win this argument with scans. You can't. So you pull up bunk arguments that guess what... Unless it'd in a handbook or a comic isn't proven comic continuity.
I lol at you. Better yet.. I quote Monty python
I fart in your general direction!
Originally posted by King Kandy
You said Darkseid never usurps his power. That showing is the very definition of "usurping".
So its usurping and earning.
But Trick is wrong on two counts, first Uxas did have the protective clothing...it became his current distinctive blue outfit (what the hell is Thanos's excuse for his ridiculous getup? 😛) and Drax was never meant to wield the OE, he was too soft for that, Heggra just pretended to groom him for it to build up Uxas' resentment so that Uxas would become the perfect vessel.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The act of usurping Drax's place was how he earned the OE, by committing a Cain and Abel act and betraying his brother for power.So its usurping and earning.
But Trick is wrong on two counts, first Uxas did have the protective clothing...it became his current distinctive blue outfit (what the hell is Thanos's excuse for his ridiculous getup? 😛) and Drax was never meant to wield the OE, he was too soft for that, Heggra just pretended to groom him for it to build up Uxas' resentment so that Uxas would become the perfect vessel.
Uxas wasn't wearing that outfit when he jumped into the infinity pit, he took it off his brother. And as for the destined wielder, ok you might have me there. 😛
Originally posted by IgnizExcept that its a well known fact, stated again and again, by multiple characters over the past 30 years, that galactus is the oldest being in the universe.
Its weird when you don't believe Amadeus Cho's statement of CK destroying 98.76% of the Multiverse and how you say CK only destroyed one Universe and yet now you use his statement to prove Galactus is the Oldest Entity in the Universe to disprove CK is not the oldest Entity in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Uxas wasn't wearing that outfit when he jumped into the infinity pit, he took it off his brother. And as for the destined wielder, ok you might have me there. 😛
I don't remember Uxas having the time to strip Drax of his clothing and put them on while gloating at him. :3
I'm in bold. Igniz is not. 😛
Its weird when you don't believe Amadeus Cho's statement of CK destroying 98.76% of the Multiverse and how you say CK only destroyed one Universe and yet now you use his statement to prove Galactus is the Oldest Entity in the Universe to disprove CK is not the oldest Entity in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse?
I never said CK wasn't the oldest being in the multiverse
Now you're just net picking.Did you know that Multi-Eternity aka True Eternity represents all of the Multiverse(FFAnnual2001)?Which makes him Multiversal.And the fact the Chaos King was proven an abstract by Eternity(which would still represents Multi-Eternity) in Chaos War#2.
You have nothing to prove that was "multi eternity" or a multiversal being that was referring to the Chaos King. Thats your opinion and nothing else
There is only one Living Tribunal(which makes him Multiversal).There is only one Abraxas(which also makes him Multiversal).
This is true
Now can you prove there is a Chaos King from another Universe(unless retconned of course)?FYI there is nothing wrong with asking the writers. Since the writers are the one writing this and they are the ones who could shed some light into what they write.And its funny that you are using the comic that FVL and GP wrote as proof and then complain when someone uses their interview that happens to describe what is happening in the comic event they wrote or how they describes the main baddie in said event as proof.Weird huh?
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Originally posted by rotiart
I lolled at your entire response. You can't win on the merits so you are trying to use arguments that fly in the face of fact. Fact is Hercules himself stated he restored only a universe. Fact is Athena the goddess of wisdom says they only saved a universe...Cho is the only one that mentions a multiverse. And he states he was told by Athena he would save the multiverse? But wait he says they only saved the universe... ON PANEL. And I debate with comics. Not reaching out to use wikis or twitter or whatever that people who don't know how to debate have to do. Really. Try and win this argument with scans. You can't. So you pull up bunk arguments that guess what... Unless it'd in a handbook or a comic isn't proven comic continuity.
I lol at you. Better yet.. I quote Monty python
I fart in your general direction!
Well I can't post scans yet since I'm new.All I'm saying is you shouldn't use scans of the comic that was written by the writer who said CK was the Void,Darkness and Chaos in the beginning to prove that the Chaos King isn't Multiversal or to prove the writer was wrong about CK in the beginning was the Multiverse.I didn't use wiki or posted the interview on here.I only interpret what FVL and GP said in that interview.Since they describe CK was the void,darkness and chaos in the beginning before everything existed in the Marvel Universe.I didn't even know about that interview until now.By the way, it is in continuity.Incredible Hulks#621 was stated after Chaos War which disproves your claim that it is not in continuity.And I did interpret it as a retconned of the origins of the Marvel Universe.Also, didn't Hercules mentioned Multiverse as well in Chaos War#1?Or what about Thor in Chaos War#2 who stated CK threatens Galactus's entire food supply and all of realities?Or how about Silver Surfer's statement on Chaos War:God Squad, who also stated CK threatens all of realities?This are also on panels statement after all.
Sorry igniz.... Bags is the one using that stupid quote over and over.
Except the realities argument is the argument over and over that it refers only to one universe as even Hercules and Athena state they save only the universe so which do u go off... Get my point? It's not like they stuck with one phrase through the entire series. They used universe more than multiverse... So who do u o off.. The two times it's mentioned by cho... Or the three times universe is mentioned by the gods...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Still more badass. 😛 2nd, Thanos threw away the IG because he felt he was unworthy. He's never been worthy of the power he wields, something DS never had a problem with. And it's not usurping. Not on Apokolips. That's pretty much the only way you get to take over, kill off everyone who's in your way.
Thanos felt he was unworthy, DS was unworthy and died in the end, just THOUGHT he was invincible... so just all the more a fool. God itself passed power on to Thanos because in all the omniverse only he had the will and power to control THOTU.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh that's nonsense. That is pretty much the definition of usurping. You can't just change the meaning of words to make DS sound cooler.Thanos felt he was unworthy, DS was unworthy and died in the end, just THOUGHT he was invincible... so just all the more a fool. God itself passed power on to Thanos because in all the omniverse only he had the will and power to control THOTU.
