Mongul Jr. vs Apocalypse

Originally posted by spetznaz
If there was an inter-company exchange draft, Apoc is a character that needs to immediately move to DC.

He'd be a world beater. Not even a team beater ....a world beater.

This is why, for instance, I did not say who would win between MM and Apoc (because, if Apoc was written well he would be a nightmare). I decided to just concentrate on the underestimation of the Martian Manhunter (no need to touch on Apoc ....nearly everyone here knows he is written soppy and downgraded by Marvel, but MM on the other hand is written very well by DC, but most people on KMC still sleep on him ....although I'd bet most of those are Wikipedia-readers who never touch comics, check something out on Wiki, and then come and post). That is why i did not say MM would win, or Apoc would win.

But it's true .....in the same way that MM is slept on by KMC members, Apocalypse is SERIOUSLY slept on by Marvel Comics.

It is like he stole money or something!

That being said, 3 rings is probably too much even for an Apocalypse that's actually well-written.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
i like um both but mongul can only counter the badassery and versatility of apocalypse by stockpiling power rings.

btw did mongul even get a power battery? the dude just stole rings but i dont think i ever saw him power them up.. a ring or two should of run out of fear juice at some point. just a question.

he got a battery when he got his actual ring, i thought.

Originally posted by Bentley
What does averages have to do with anything?

Everything, as the Mongul-Superman fight happened in a comic, not a forum. And Superman, in comics, on average, doesn't fight to the best of his abilities, regardless of his motive. So it's fair to assume that he didn't go all out when he blitzed Mongul. Get it?

You've failed to provide any actual reason to think speed matters here, I mean Kang has tagged QS too and you don't see me bragging about his speed compared with Superman.

So you're telling me that Superman, a character who rarely utilizes his super-speed on paper, can blitz an actual speedster who consistently utilizes his super-speed? Come on Bentley, you should know better. And it's not like Apocalypse was putting all his focus on Quicksilver when he tagged him; he was also busy fighting other characters.

SM is faster than QS,

In a forum? Sure. The Superman that blitzed Mongul? Maybe.

Mongul, Apocalypse or anyone else shown in this thread; the fact he only decided to use that speed against Mongul doesn't prove anything here.

In his Rise of Apocalypse bio, he is credited to having the ability to give himself any physical power.

http://img16.imageshack.us/i/ohotmux05streetsamuraid.jpg/

And super-speed is a physical power, meaning that Apocalypse can give himself super-speed via shape-shifting. Does Mongul have super-speed? I douvt it.

If Kal wanted to use speed against Apocalypse he wouldn't tag him.

Apocalyse has reacted to a speed-blitz from an actual speedster, has reacted to energy blasts in his fights, and is credited to having the ability to give himself super-speed in one of his bios. We don't have an instance of him getting blitzed (afaik). There is no way for you to prove that Superman can blitz him in a forum fight, and there is no way for me to prove that Apocalypse can react to an all-out Superman blitz.

You're using double standards so hard they're becoming triple standards 😉

Anyway, back on topic. Apocalypse has all of Mongul's powers and many more. He has shape shifting, immortality, super-human strength, super-human speed, super-human agility/reflexes (like how he dodged that table which was chucked at him by a class 100, real talk), super-human endurance/durability, teleportation, energy absroption, energy projection, technopathy, healing factor, shields, telekenisis, and telepathy. Mongul has what? Super-strength, maaaaaybe super-human reflexes/agility, some energy projection, and super-human durability/stamina.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Everything, as the Mongul-Superman fight happened in a comic, not a forum. And Superman, in comics, on average, doesn't fight to the best of his abilities, regardless of his motive. So it's fair to assume that he didn't go all out when he blitzed Mongul. Get it?

Your whole reasoning falls down right here. It doesn't matter whether or not Clark fights to the best of his abilities on average, it matters that in that particular fight he was fighting at his best.

Why should Clark fight at his best if he only need to be faster than Mongul. There is a lot of faulty reasoning in your posts.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So you're telling me that Superman, a character who rarely utilizes his super-speed on paper, can blitz an actual speedster who consistently utilizes his super-speed?

Those are the rules in this forum.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
In his Rise of Apocalypse bio, he is credited to having the ability to give himself any physical power.

http://img16.imageshack.us/i/ohotmux05streetsamuraid.jpg/

And super-speed is a physical power, meaning that Apocalypse can give himself super-speed via shape-shifting. Does Mongul have super-speed? I douvt it.

The GL ring is said to be able to do anything, so Hal should be able to wish the JLA away and beat them 10/10. Except we go by showings and not powersets. Bring Apocalypse actually using superspeed to blitz a fast fighter and then we can discuss.

That 'giving himself any physical power' power would have come in handy in pretty much every fight Apoc was in.

Funny how its never happened.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That 'giving himself any physical power' power would have come in handy in pretty much every fight Apoc was in.

Funny how its never happened.

I'd say that's pretty crafty with the "physical power", wouldn't you?

Mongul Jr in both.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well, he's made shield arms, jackhammer arms, gun arms, spike arms, opened holes in himself, spike chest, made himself intangible, made himself able to travel through space, grew larger, stretched himself out, etc.

I'd say that's pretty crafty with the "physical power", wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But has he ever made himself Batman?

Apoc has counter-blitzed Quicksilver for what it's worth.

Originally posted by Bentley
Your whole reasoning falls down right here. It doesn't matter whether or not Clark fights to the best of his abilities on average, it matters that in that particular fight he was fighting at his best.

I'm about 99.99% sure that Superman always holds back while on earth, unless he, or somebody/a group, is about to die in that instant.

Why should Clark fight at his best if he only need to be faster than Mongul. There is a lot of faulty reasoning in your posts.

The point was that Superman barely had to try in order to defeat Mongul when they fought, simply because of Superman having a major speed advantage over him. What's to stop Apocalypse from teleporting behind him and then punching his head off? I mean he's clearly vulnerable to sudden attacks.

Those are the rules in this forum.

😐

The fight happened in a comic; not in the forum. Plus, rules also say that CIS is ON unless stated otherwise. This fight, as in the fight between Mongul and Apocalypse doesn't have CIS. The fight between Superman and Mongul which happened in a comic, did have CIS enabled.

The GL ring is said to be able to do anything, so Hal should be able to wish the JLA away and beat them 10/10. Except we go by showings and not powersets. Bring Apocalypse actually using superspeed to blitz a fast fighter and then we can discuss.

Apocalypse isn't a speedster and I never argued that he was. He hasn't blitzed anyone on panel as far as I know. Doesn't change the fact that he has decent reflexes and teleportation capabilities.