Sasquatch vs Thing

Originally posted by Starscream M
anyways, thing is hard...sas is squishy...sas can be killed by blunt force. thing can't.

doh

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah because Sas fingers are about the thickness of a coathanger right? riiiight?? 🙄

sarcasm aside, his fingers are too big to enter any of ben's openings

@ KM: 616 Wolverine has never had a proper fight with Walter so there's no point in bringing him up... that said

Squatch for the squash IMO.

Close fight, but Tanaraq aside, I'd give the edge to Ben. Both have great strength feats and both have acknowledgement of being superior by the other at various points (sorry, but Infinity Crusade DID happen), but overall I'd have to give the fighting skills and maybe even an edge in durability (although Sasquatch's HF definitely evens things up here) to the Thing.

Here's their first fight. At this point Thing was weaker than Sasquatch (as was Colossus). Don't know about now though.

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-13.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-14.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-15.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-16.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-19.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-20.jpg

Well, Walter sounded inexperienced there, but I still give Thing the edge in fighting skills and heart.

Originally posted by jinzin
@ KM: 616 Wolverine has never had a proper fight with Walter so there's no point in bringing him up... that said

Squatch for the squash IMO.

Agreed, but I didn't bring it up actually.

Originally posted by mrpress
Close fight, but Tanaraq aside, I'd give the edge to Ben. Both have great strength feats and both have acknowledgement of being superior by the other at various points (sorry, but Infinity Crusade DID happen), but overall I'd have to give the fighting skills and maybe even an edge in durability (although Sasquatch's HF definitely evens things up here) to the Thing.

It did, by prior showings to that and events after that make that showing fall under PIS as per the rules of the forum. You don't ignore countless more direct statements and showings as opposed to one comment that clearly was inaccurate.

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, Walter sounded inexperienced there, but I still give Thing the edge in fighting skills and heart.

He was, and at the time he had to meditate to transform (meditation pose) and as noted his sasquatch form would be weakened and not at his full power as he needs time to adjust. It was mentioned even in that issue his transformation weakens him.

Walter has pretty much every other real advantage. Heart only takes you so far as shown Thing gives people a fight, but he generally never finishes the deal.

Originally posted by Batroc
Here's their first fight. At this point Thing was weaker than Sasquatch (as was Colossus). Don't know about now though.

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-13.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-14.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-15.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-16.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-19.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Thing/MarvelTwo-in-One083-20.jpg

Reading that fight again, it looks to me that by the end they're pretty even. Sasquatch is stronger, but Thing is more skilled and determined. Also, Sasquatch is unable to knock him out. Possibly The Thing is gaining the upper hand by the end, as Sasquatch is feeling his blows, and is ready to quit.
Of course, both these characters have different strength levels now. Thing at least is stronger. Not sure about Sasquatch. He doesn't seem quite the heavy hitter he was in his early appearances, when he was lifting 200+ tons. Even John Byrne, who co-created Sasquatch, claimed he wasn't stronger than the Thing. Marvel needs to reestablish Sasquatch as a mid-Class 100.

Thing did seem to have a edge at the end of the fight, but that don't mean anything.

Originally posted by Batroc
Reading that fight again, it looks to me that by the end they're pretty even. Sasquatch is stronger, but Thing is more skilled and determined. Also, Sasquatch is unable to knock him out. Possibly The Thing is gaining the upper hand by the end, as Sasquatch is feeling his blows, and is ready to quit.
Of course, both these characters have different strength levels now. Thing at least is stronger. Not sure about Sasquatch. He doesn't seem quite the heavy hitter he was in his early appearances, when he was lifting 200+ tons. Even John Byrne, who co-created Sasquatch, claimed he wasn't stronger than the Thing. Marvel needs to reestablish Sasquatch as a mid-Class 100.

No, that's Walter's character as he often trys to talk to people as he did with the Hulk. One punch which Walter was quickly back up from is not getting the upper hand

Yes, and as noted even in the handbooks Walter has got and upgrade and as mentioned can use his dynamic strength and call forth more power from Tanaraq. While base Thing is the same level. Even Exiles Sasquatch was getting the better of 616 Thing and she she is weaker then Walter. When did he claim this? I have never heard of this.
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For anyone curious this is Walter's fight with exo-suit Thing

After being controlled by Headlok, he makes Sasquatch slip into a blind furry attacking Ben, who at the time was wearing his exo-suit. As noted by Mr. Fantastic, the exo-suit was made to "restore most of the strength he used to possess" and "nearly as powerful as before". Sasquatch dominates him, even stopping Ben from even landing one hit. Headlok also mentions Sasquatch's power increase when he becomes angry "I feel Sasquatch's physical surge".

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Wasn't it stated in a older issue that he was only 2/3 his normal level in that suit?

Is Sasquatch actually stronger than Thing? I mean, Thing used to be a 85 tonner so straight comparision depends on when they faced each other. What are Walter's strength feats?

Originally posted by Bentley
Is Sasquatch actually stronger than Thing? I mean, Thing used to be a 85 tonner so straight comparision depends on when they faced each other. What are Walter's strength feats?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Wasn't it stated in a older issue that he was only 2/3 his normal level in that suit?

Not that I recall as there are other direct quotes saying it was nearly equal to his full power.

Originally posted by Bentley
Is Sasquatch actually stronger than Thing? I mean, Thing used to be a 85 tonner so straight comparision depends on when they faced each other. What are Walter's strength feats?

Yes. It's even stated by multiple people even Thing himself. Here are just some feats. In a recent habdbook says Walter base is class 90 and can amp his strength further calling on Tanaraq's power. Thing is still class 80. There is no doubt he is stronger.

Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Sasquatch I
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Alpha Flight #1 (Vol.1):
Sasquatch attacks the Elder God, Tundra who is a Great Beast himself. He rips off huge sections of the earthy manifestation. Just to note this wasn’t the real Tundra revealed in AF #24, but an Earthly avatar

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-30.jpg
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Alpha Flight #10 (Vol.1):
Super Skrull who is stronger then Thing even admits, "and realized with bone-chilling certainty that his full strength (Super Skrull) may not be sufficient" after he hit Sasquatch was his strongest blow.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10d.jpg
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Alpha Flight #12 (Vol.1):
Sasquatch admiting he holds back his strength due to fear of losing control to Tanaraq

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Alpha Flight #45 (Vol.1):
Walter admits when he was in the Box armor temporally that Box is not half as strong as Sasquatch, and the form Walter was in (V.3) could press 85 tons.

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Alpha Flight #103 (Vol.1):
Diablo has taken over a Central American country and killed all the former junta. Alpha Flight is sent in covertly to stop him. Sasquatch picks up and tossed the Ele-Matrix

1. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight103-15.jpg
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Alpha Flight #5 (Vol.3):
Pissed off Sasquatch brings down the house....literally. Sasquatch lets out a blow in the Plodex ship that brings all the realities together. Some members came from the arctic, some Montreal, etc. He punched a hole in the trans-displacement dimension to bring them all together

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Fantastic Four #368 [Vol.1]
Here with Colossus subdues Iron man, and then the next page looks like he is doing it on his own

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Hulk Annual #8:
This should impress people. Here Sasquatch pulls and lifts a destroyer nany ship (British destroyers (of recent times) have an average displacement of around 5,000 tonnes or higher) and then pushes it out again

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_11.jpg
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Hulk Annual #8
Here it states he has "second strongest legs on the face of the Earth”

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Machine Man #18:
Sasquatch possesses "almost limitless strength"

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Marvel Team-Up Annual #7:
Sasquatch catches a Boxer an Inter-dimensional traps from the Vegan timeline that Collector thought to be impossible

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Marvel Two-In-One #83 (Vol.1):
Thing admitted, "Sheesh! Your bigger, stronger, talk better than me and played proball! There must be something I can beat you at!", Sasquatch replies, "I doubt it".

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Marvel Two-In-One #84 (Vol.1):
Ranark mentions Sasquatch is stronger then Thing

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Marvel Two-In-One #84 (Vol.1):
Against the would be god, Ranark the Ravanger. He creates an earthquake that topples a 6 story apartment which Sasquatch catches in mid-air

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2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_12.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_13.jpg
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Uncanny X-Men #120 (Vol.1):
In his first appearance he threw a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet in reverse, crashing into a building even while the engines were still. The engines were stated to produce 150,000 pounds of thrust. He toosed it 1000 feeet with ease

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Originally posted by juggernaut74
He lifted the front of a battleship out of the water and he tossed a 250 ton plane against the thrusters. Some people don't think he's written like that anymore though. He was definately stronger back in the day but now I'm no so sure.

There is no difference from classic to current, heck his current body destroyed his current body.

Originally posted by -K-M-

In a recent habdbook says Walter base is class 90 and can amp his strength further calling on Tanaraq's power. Thing is still class 80. There is no doubt he is stronger.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sasquatch is class 90 now? I know Grimm is stilll 85 tons though but if you're right handbook or not it's good enough for me.

For years he was only class 70 even in the old days (tossing 250 tons), this was his first official upgrade and as mentioned in the entry he can amp his strength even past his base.

I'm shocked 🙄

Originally posted by -K-M-
For years he was only class 70 even in the old days (tossing 250 tons), this was his first official upgrade and as mentioned in the entry he can amp his strength even past his base.

I'm shocked 🙄

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What are you shocked about? Handbooks are still official Marvel material imo.

My mistake I thought you were talking about Sasquatch not being stronger then Thing as there is far more examples to support he is then against. As mentioned Exiles Sasquatch who is weaker then Walter was getting the better of 616 Thing

Originally posted by -K-M-
My mistake I thought you were talking about Sasquatch not being stronger then Thing as there is far more examples to support he is then against. As mentioned Exiles Sasquatch who is weaker then Walter was getting the better of 616 Thing

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Where was it stated Exiles was weaker?

In Exiles itself, she has shown to not be as strong or as durable as Walter. Also she is only class 70.