Obama creates "indefinite detention" in Guantanamo.

Hope and change?

President Obama signed an executive order Monday that will create a formal system of indefinite detention for those held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who continue to pose a significant threat to national security. The administration also said it will start new military commission trials for detainees there.

The announcements, coming more than two years after Obama vowed in another executive order to close the detention center, all but cements Guantanamo Bay's continuing role in U.S. counterterrorism policy.

And there goes Obama yet again bending over, spreading cheek and cum-farting over those who voted him in on given campaign promises.

Ha, 'cum-farting.'

This sounds like the stupidest political move in recent history. Wasn't outrage over Guantanamo like, one of the major things that outed Bush? Did Obama forget that he vowed 2 years ago to close Guantamano?

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This shit is why I'm surprised why every single so-called liberal and progressive isn't over at www.socialdemocratsusa.org

Wasn't outrage over Guantanamo like, one of the major things that outed Bush?

Did Obama forget that he vowed 2 years ago to close Guantamano?

This shit is why I'm surprised why every single so-called liberal and progressive isn't over at www.socialdemocratsusa.org

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wasn't outrage over Guantanamo like, one of the major things that outed Bush?

Would you like a terrorist in your local jail or prison recruiting and signing up potential suidide bombers? Go ahead . . . you'll care if they kill many of your fellow townsfolk. That's why Club Gitmo was created in the first place - to keep those bastards away from us.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Would you like a terrorist in your local jail or prison recruiting and signing up potential suidide bombers? Go ahead . . . you'll care if they kill many of your fellow townsfolk. That's why Club Gitmo was created in the first place - to keep those bastards away from us.

This over looks a few things that are relevant:

1) It was a campaign promise. <--- these should be important to Obama voters

2) Any "terrorist" could be keep isolated in standard prisons away from would be jihadist recruits. In fact, if they weren't isolated, they'd likely be shanked.

3) Guantanamo has held/is holding people "indefinitely" who are in fact not terrorist and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Yet since they're there and not here, they literally have no rights.

4) "Club Gitmo" was created so the US could do whatever they liked to suspects without having to abide by US laws. It has nothing to do with "keeping dem bastards away from us so we're safe." See #2, prisons do just fine.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I think a two-term limit ousted Bush.

You silly americans and your limit to how much power a leader can hold. Thank God I live in a Monarchy.

Rob, unless they are thrown into the Super Max Prison in Colorada, then there is the possibilty of escape.

Osama has the power of persuation and some of the radical fighters do in Gitmo. It easy to manipulate certain people who are weak minded and frightened. That's why there are gangs in prison. Islam is one of the fatest religions growing in our prison system. Some of those people are in prison - very pissed off at the government and they want revenge. Potential recruits - sign up right here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You silly americans and your limit to how much power a leader can hold. Thank God I live in a Monarchy.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Rob, unless they are thrown into the Super Max Prison in Colorada, then there is the possibilty of escape.

Osama has the power of persuation and some of the radical fighters do in Gitmo. It easy to manipulate certain people who are weak minded and frightened. That's why there are gangs in prison. Islam is one of the fatest religions growing in our prison system. Some of those people are in prison - very pissed off at the government and they want revenge. Potential recruits - sign up right here.

Well then create a prison just for convicted terrorists only make it legal and ethical. Is that such a hard thing to do?

Legal and ethical? That is a fallacy concerning the fact that they target civilians (terrorists). It's a good idea I'll admit (the prison), but exactly where would you build the prison?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Rob, unless they are thrown into the Super Max Prison in Colorada, then there is the possibilty of escape.

Osama has the power of persuation and some of the radical fighters do in Gitmo. It easy to manipulate certain people who are weak minded and frightened. That's why there are gangs in prison. Islam is one of the fatest religions growing in our prison system. Some of those people are in prison - very pissed off at the government and they want revenge. Potential recruits - sign up right here.

There's the possibility of escape in Guantanamo too. If the fear of some possible terrorist escaping from a prison (who is in isolation no less) is that much of a concern, place a small military unit inside on a 24hr cycle to help guard. But really, the chance of someone escaping from solitary confinement is very slim.

Which is why isolation comes into play, if this "recruitment" concern is such a concern.

You know what's a bigger recruitment tool, locking up a bunch of young guys who didn't do anything wrong, giving them absolutely zero rights and placing them side-by-side with actual terrorist. ie Guantanamo.

Legal and ethical? That is a fallacy concerning the fact that they target civilians (terrorists).

No it isn't. Regular criminals target civilians and we still treat them legally and ethically. There is no difference.

. It's a good idea I'll admit (the prison), but exactly where would you build the prison?

Where do you build any prison?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Legal and ethical? That is a fallacy concerning the fact that they target civilians (terrorists). It's a good idea I'll admit (the prison), but exactly where would you build the prison?

Some RED state, that's for sure.

Put joking aside . . . are you really sure they are "just in the wrong place at the wrong time?" and not innocent? I hardly consider firing a weapon at a NATO soldier 'innocent' so I do not feel any kind of smypathy for the enemy. My friend in the Rangers says that when an enemy insurgent or terrorist is captured, all they see is the most hatred in their eyes. So, if known terrorists were placed in prison next to your city would you feel safe?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Would you like a terrorist in your local jail or prison recruiting and signing up potential suidide bombers? Go ahead . . . you'll care if they kill many of your fellow townsfolk. That's why Club Gitmo was created in the first place - to keep those bastards away from us.

you mean how you guys treated the 1992 WTC bombers, or Tim McVeigh, or the way every other Western nation treats terror suspects and those convicted?

ya, totally no way to deal with them 🙄

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
So, if known terrorists were placed in prison next to your city would you feel safe?

less safe than being so near to rapists and murderers, who are far more likely to victimize me?

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