Well luckily, everyone who isn't a right wing lunatic is starting to wake up. In several states are already mulling over recalling politicians and general strikes. I'm not a particularly big fan of the results of syndicalism but their tactics are classic. What the hell are the GOP going to do if no one shows up to work? How can the rich bribe senators if they have no access to their money?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosNo need for that, we just need a very large percentage of working people in this country to not show up for work for awhile. No need for violence. We just need to drive the corporate, financial, and political elite into a state of helplessness before any negotiations can take place. A large scale military desertion in Afghanistan would be nice too and possible considering that they're finding out how bad Wall Street screwed them too.
For goodness sake, at this rate there really will be a revolution in the US.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
No need for that, we just need a very large percentage of working people in this country to not show up for work for awhile. No need for violence. We just need to drive the corporate, financial, and political elite into a state of helplessness before any negotiations can take place. A large scale military desertion in Afghanistan would be nice too and possible considering that they're finding out how bad Wall Street screwed them too.
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vote for a political party that will increase spending on job creation...
i know, utopian, but...
Originally posted by inimalistAs much as I like the Social Democrats USA, they, like many Social Democratic movements are weak and support subversion of the Democratic Party rather than running their own party. As long as there is private money in politics and we live in a society governed by trade agreements where up to 40% of the workforce can be outsourced, no government will make any sincere effort to create jobs like it did in the past. I don't even think the strategic industries thing will convince Republican Hawks because most of their income comes from the Chinese and the Saudis anyway. An ideal situation to come out of the depression and prevent any further economic calamities (not to mention other hardships) would be one where the Democrats are the right party, Democratic Socialists are the left party, Social Democrats are the center party, and the GOP and conservatism in general are crushed. Conservatism is outlived its usefulness during the last Republican Great Depression.
orvote for a political party that will increase spending on job creation...
i know, utopian, but...
Originally posted by Darth Jello
As much as I like the Social Democrats USA, they, like many Social Democratic movements are weak and support subversion of the Democratic Party rather than running their own party. As long as there is private money in politics and we live in a society governed by trade agreements where up to 40% of the workforce can be outsourced, no government will make any sincere effort to create jobs like it did in the past. I don't even think the strategic industries thing will convince Republican Hawks because most of their income comes from the Chinese and the Saudis anyway. An ideal situation to come out of the depression and prevent any further economic calamities (not to mention other hardships) would be one where the Democrats are the right party, Democratic Socialists are the left party, Social Democrats are the center party, and the GOP and conservatism in general are crushed. Conservatism is outlived its usefulness during the last Republican Great Depression.
That can't be accomplished with corporate ownership of everything including politicians, ever. If you don't believe me, research the concept of managed democracy. Voting no longer works and Obama is a corrupt pussy who thinks that change is best facilitated by doing nearly nothing for a long period of time. Revolution is a bit much, but demonstrations, organizing major strikes, and hacktivism are appropriate.
talking about "conservatism" with people from america is always insane...
Canada, Germany, the UK and literally almost every European state manage to have reasonable conservative parties that function well within the confines of socially democratic systems.
I mean, I don't agree with everything the conservative party of canada says, but their policies would be considered well left of even Obama in the states
idk, the GOP certainly influences global "conservatism", but as an idea, and as a balance to just continually growing state power, conservatism has not lost its usefulness. The problem in america is a lack of any balance to "neoconservatism", and no interest in fighting against corporate control of politics, not that there are some people who want small government and individual responsibility.
Its the same reason I think Paul (ron or rand) would make a great leader, only so long as there was an honest and theoretically motivated opposition that forced compromise on the issues where such conservative ideals go nuts.
The government is WE THE PEOPLE so in a liberal democracy, government encroachment shouldn't be a fear. The US lacks Europe's mentality that caring about it's citizens and a strong welfare state is a form of "Radical Insurance". It's give an take. You pay progressively into a pool that affords every citizen a comfortable living and stave off too big of an income inequality gap while stabilizing the economy and in exchange, those citizens refrain from lobbing grenades at you and burning your estate to the ground with your family still inside.
WE'RE IN AN ECONOMIC DEPRESSION, UNEMPLOYMENT IS MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT IS BEING REPORTED, OUR DOMESTIC CIVIL DEFENSE IS NONEXISTENT, AND WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING TWO UNFUNDED WARS FOR A DECADE.
I see that as perfect rationale for backing out of trade treaties, reorganizing AmeriCorps into the CCC with higher wages and benefits, busting trusts and banks like Teddy Roosevelt on crack, and taxing every single dollar of annual income over $1 million not domestically invested in jobs at 92%. That'll bring jobs back.
except that in practice, government takes power away from individuals and decides what is best for them through regulation. we should be designing a system where the state assists people in no longer needing it, rather than becoming dependent on it. Regardless of the ideology behind it, no centralized power ever represents the wills of those it is supposed to
No need for that, we just need a very large percentage of working people in this country to not show up for work for awhile.
Not show up for worK?? What work?? lol More than half the people I know are on state assistance. Probably more like 60 percent
I see riots coming soon to a town near you.
edit: Luckily Obama agreed to another year of benefits or there would really have been war. They sent out the National Guard during that voting period just incase it didn't pass.
Originally posted by inimalist
orvote for a political party that will increase spending on job creation...
i know, utopian, but...
Job creation isn't the issue. As the article points out jobs are being created in the US, companies are turning huge profits, the economy is actually very strong. It essentially just workers that are getting screwed.
Originally posted by inimalistThat's what social democracy is. The protections of socialism for all individuals, the freedoms of a regulated, capitalist market economy, strong labor unions, and the nationalization of only those industries that cannot efficiently work as for-profit corporations without significant government assistance or horrible neglect of its customers (healthcare, banking, airlines, railroads, utilities, internet, etc.).
except that in practice, government takes power away from individuals and decides what is best for them through regulation. we should be designing a system where the state assists people in no longer needing it, rather than becoming dependent on it. Regardless of the ideology behind it, no centralized power ever represents the wills of those it is supposed to
Originally posted by Darth Jello
That's what social democracy is. The protections of socialism for all individuals, the freedoms of a regulated, capitalist market economy, strong labor unions, and the nationalization of only those industries that cannot efficiently work as for-profit corporations without significant government assistance or horrible neglect [b][legal ABUSE] of its customers (healthcare, banking, airlines, railroads, utilities, internet, etc.). [/B]
A really great point. As pointed out:
Originally posted by inimalist
talking about "conservatism" with people from america is always insane...
you can't really have a conversation with an American about social democracy. Most Americans are too busy flipping out over socialism to A) know what it means or implies & B) how much of what goes on here in the US is already socialism.
Globalisation is going to mess up the job market anyway, companies will go abroad so they can pay people 10 pence a day, and don´t have to pay other things like health care and what not. The only problem with that is who is going to purchase their goods when no one earns a decent wage?
I noticed the latest Forbes rich list, there´s even more billionaires this year. Good for them, the more apples they have in their barn the more people there are who will have to go without.