Dr. Strange vs Insane Genis-Vell

Started by "Id"3 pages

One of the big selling points in his insane era was the use of his Cosmic Awareness. I am paraphrasing, but he knew what was, is, and whats to be. His cosmic eye, feed him everything he kneaded to know. The moment his cosmic awareness did not feed him the info he wanted, it freaked him out.

Originally posted by "Id"

What kind of power/force can Strange muster up, and tank?

at the least toe-to-toe with dormammu consistantly

This would be a fantastic fight. i think who wins would be up to the individual actions they take in a fight... there is no clear power or versatility gap to me.

IG in both

Originally posted by "Id"
One of the big selling points in his insane era was the use of his Cosmic Awareness. I am paraphrasing, but he knew what was, is, and whats to be. His cosmic eye, feed him everything he kneaded to know. The moment his cosmic awareness did not feed him the info he wanted, it freaked him out.
So he basically has a lower level version of the EOA. neat. Genis has speed on his side, that's it. Which is moot because he's not getting through Doc's shields. Galactus couldn't, death couldn't, LT didn't. In fact, Doc may even be faster when he uses his own version of the speed force in which he slows time and blitzes. I don't think you get the magnitude of classic doc's power. Give me a Genis feat and i'll beat it.

Originally posted by long pig
So he basically has a lower level version of the EOA. neat.

Neat as in the Eye of Agamotto granting Strange an inferior Cosmic Awareness? Your quoting, and responding to a plot device where Genis placed a blind spot on himself.

Plot devices such as these do not effect Genis on a forum battle. I posted the capacity of Genis-Vell Cosmic Awareness. Unless the EoA comes with Omnivesral capacity, than no Dr. Strange does not have a superior Cosmic Conscious.

Originally posted by long pig
Genis has speed on his side, that's it. Which is moot because he's not getting through Doc's shields. Galactus couldn't, death couldn't, LT didn't.

No one’s buying the sheer stupidity of the Living Tribunal inability to breach his shields. Your excluding context, which play a big factor in his feats.

Originally posted by long pig
In fact, Doc may even be faster when he uses his own version of the speed force in which he slows time and blitzes. I don't think you get the magnitude of classic doc's power. Give me a Genis feat and i'll beat it.

Genis-Vell can manipulate both time, and space. He can even rectify time aberrations. Your over glorifying Strange, and in return belittling Genis.

If Strange is allowed to summon abstracts he wins (although that kind of defeats the entire purpose of Strange vs Genis).

If Strange isn't, then he gets his shit stomped easily.

Originally posted by long pig
death couldn't,

um, what? Dr. Strange hid within Eternity's form to escape death's touch, he KNEW it would have killed him otherwise.

Originally posted by long pig
LT didn't.

Good thing you said "didn't", given he never actually tried. Doesn't change the fact that its a complete non-feat. For that matter, Eternity never breached Genis's shields, i guess that proves everything.

Dr. Strange has more proven feats of high power. A few of Genis's are suspect.

And against classic Strange, I do not believe Genis has the kind of raw power Strange pulls out when he gets serious.

Even if Genis sees what Strange is going to do, he can't take him out. And Strange wants to stop time, or summon the power of the Vishanti, he can't do shit.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Strange is allowed to summon abstracts he wins (although that kind of defeats the entire purpose of Strange vs Genis).

If Strange isn't, then he gets his shit stomped easily.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dr. Strange has more proven feats of high power. A few of Genis's are suspect.

And against classic Strange, I do not believe Genis has the kind of raw power Strange pulls out when he gets serious.

Even if Genis sees what Strange is going to do, he can't take him out. And Strange wants to stop time, or summon the power of the Vishanti, he can't do shit.


Um, Genis has tons of time manipulation feats... he can most definitely deal with time stopping.

On the level of classic strange? I would like to see that.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t526124.html

Hes not as powerful as classic Strange. Worst case scenario Strange has to start Black Magic to beat him.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Hes not as powerful as classic Strange. Worst case scenario Strange has to start Black Magic to beat him.
Yeah but CIS on he would never do it unless Genis clearly stated intent to harm the universe irreparably.

Originally posted by "Id"
[quote] Your quoting, and responding to a plot device where Genis placed a blind spot on himself.
And your responding to a quote that you obviously do not understand. Damn public schooling fails again.
I posted the capacity of Genis-Vell Cosmic Awareness. Unless the EoA comes with Omnivesral capacity, than no Dr. Strange does not have a superior Cosmic Conscious.
If only it came with omniversal capability...oh wait, it does. The EOA OOA
amps his already substantial innate universal awareness and skyfather level mental abilities millions of times giving him absolute multitiversal omniscience. Even Galactus admitted inferiority in that area.

Originally posted by "Id"

No one’s buying the sheer stupidity of the Living Tribunal inability to breach his shields. Your excluding context, which play a big factor in his feats.
Whether you agree with that single feat or not matters to noone. There are dozens more char above Genis who couldn't bust his shield. Point: Genis Cant break his shields.

Genis-Vell can manipulate both time, and space. He can even rectify time aberrations. Your over glorifying Strange, and in return belittling Genis.
Doc's time control makes Genis's look like a turd stuffed in a sock. He has absolute control and has had thousands of years to perfect it. it's no contest. If you even try to argue that genis has equal or superior time control to Doc, i'll know you have no clue what you are talking about.

Originally posted by King Kandy
um, what? Dr. Strange hid within Eternity's form to escape death's touch, he KNEW it would have killed him otherwise.
Um no. In the feat i'm speaking of Strange is in Death's realm and fights to a draw. Ending with Death proclaiming that Strange can't die.

Good thing you said "didn't", given he never actually tried. Doesn't change the fact that its a complete non-feat. For that matter, Eternity never breached Genis's shields, i guess that proves everything.
Taking blasts from LT and inbetweener at the same time without being deaded isn't a feat? Do you have any idea what feat i'm talking about? Go refresh your memory in the Strange respect page then come back. 🙂

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
On the level of classic strange? I would like to see that.
You won't. If these guys would simply read doc's first series or in to his debts page they'd realize the power of the most powerful magic user in the universe. Also, hasn't magic always been genis's weakness? Magic is a weakness for all those cosmic powered guys. they've never been able to absorb magic because it defies all the scientific laws.

Insane Genis was well out of Strange's league. Genis wins.