Originally posted by Galan007
What exactly did B13 do vs. Supes that leads you to believe he was utiilizing the full extent of Imperiex' 'big bang energies'? Make a few drones? Use the thrusters of Warworld to their full capacity? Cuz that's about all he really did -- I mean, my God, he didn't even utilize any type of energy-based attacks directly against Supes. Sure, B13 may have possessed the full power of Imperiex, but that doesn't mean he was using it 'all' against Supes.Furthermore, B13 had no idea that Superman was going to push him through a boom tube/in front of a big bang -- because, well, the tube wasn't even created until Brainy was literally getting pushed through it. Had he known of this plan beforehand, he likely would have tried a bit harder to down Supes. After all, a -casual- hand blast from Imperiex was sufficient to atomize Doomsday.
Sorry, but I'm not buying OWAW Superman being a universal+ power.
He was putting all of his power into trying to stop Superman from moving him. It was made clear on panel that War World was Brianiac's "body," so trying to act like he wasn't is ridiculous.
Before the the boom tube even opened, Brainiac was saying how he traveled billions of years through the time stream in order to stop Imperiex and essentially pleaded to Superman not to kill him for being a "savior."
I'm gonna go ahead and stop it right here, because the idea that Brainiac wasn't trying his best to stop Superman from destroying him, especially when all the context of the situation is taken into account, is ludicrous.
Originally posted by batdude123Not sure if you realize how ridiculous it is to say that B13 was using the full extent of his powers to attack Supes, when ALL he did was create a handful of drones to physically attack him, and use the thrusters of Warworld to their maximum capacity. :/
He was putting all of his power into trying to stop Superman from moving him. It was made clear on panel that War World was Brianiac's "body," so trying to act like he wasn't is ridiculous.Before the the boom tube even opened, Brainiac was saying how he traveled billions of years through the time stream in order to stop Imperiex and essentially pleaded to Superman not to kill him for being a "savior."
I'm gonna go ahead and stop it right here, because the idea that Brainiac wasn't trying his best to stop Superman from destroying him, especially when all the context of the situation is taken into account, is ludicrous.
Sorry, but those feats (speaking about those of B13) don't equate to a guy who was going 'all out' with his big bang-esque power.
Originally posted by Galan007a moment? it happens to be the defining moment
^ B13 was absolutely brilliant -- harnessing Imperiex's power for his own means is a prime example.A moment of CIS vs. Superman doesn't change that.
plus he has history with superman...brainy of all people should know superman's ability to win despite all odds. its the one eventuality he should've prepped everything for and should not have underestimated.
Originally posted by Starscream MSupes didn't create the boom tube to the dawn of time -- that's where Darkseid (and co) came into play. How could B13 have known..?
a moment? it happens to be the defining momentplus he has history with superman...brainy of all people should know superman's ability to win despite all odds. its the one eventuality he should've prepped everything for and should not have underestimated.
Originally posted by Galan007well, I figured he could calculate all possible scenarios ala midnighter given how advanced he is...
Supes didn't create the boom tube to the dawn of time -- that's where Darkseid (and co) came into play. How could B13 have known..?
but even not, given how smart he is, he shouldn't ever have been put in that situation in the first place, no?
Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure if you realize how ridiculous it is to say that B13 was using the full extent of his powers to attack Supes, when ALL he did was create a handful of drones to physically attack him, and use the thrusters of Warworld to their maximum capacity. :/Sorry, but those feats (speaking about those of B13) don't equate to a guy who was going 'all out' with his big bang-esque power.
He was using his full power to try and stop Superman from moving him, which the comic gave every indication of him doing so.
The idea of Superman over-powering Brainiac's energies (which the issue clearly shows him doing) is far less ridiculous than Brainiac holding back, KNOWING full-well that Superman is about to "kill him" after all his centuries of planning. Yeah, he'd rather die than use his full power in order to ensure his survival as the supreme being of the universe... which he's worked so hard to become. 😕
Your idiosyncratic take on the matter has no on-panel validation. You're entitled to it, though, I suppose. sneer
Originally posted by batdude123How did Superman become more powerful than a universal being? That is even more powerful than he was in his Pre-Crisis days. But I do agree, if Brain had the power of Imperiex, and warworld was his body, then it would be the same as if Superman were pushing against Imperiex.
He was using his full power to try and stop Superman from moving him, which the comic gave every indication of him doing so.The idea of Superman over-powering Brainiac's energies (which the issue clearly shows him doing) is far less ridiculous than Brainiac holding back, [b]KNOWING
full-well that Superman is about to "kill him" after all his centuries of planning. Yeah, he'd rather die than use his full power in order to ensure his survival as the supreme being of the universe... which he's worked so hard to become. 😕Your idiosyncratic take on the matter has no on-panel validation. You're entitled to it, though, I suppose. sneer [/B]
Originally posted by batdude123Ah, so despite having access to all of Imperiex's energies, the best tactic B13 could come up with was using 'all of' said energies to make Warworld fly really fast against Supes? If that's the case then I retract my former statement regarding B13 -- he was an absolute idiot. You'd think a being of his intelligence would have, you know, done something offensive with all that power. :/
He was using his full power to try and stop Superman from moving him, which the comic gave every indication of him doing so.The idea of Superman over-powering Brainiac's energies (which the issue clearly shows him doing) is far less ridiculous than Brainiac holding back, [b]KNOWING
full-well that Superman is about to "kill him" after all his centuries of planning. Yeah, he'd rather die than use his full power in order to ensure his survival as the supreme being of the universe... which he's worked so hard to become. 😕Your idiosyncratic take on the matter has no on-panel validation. You're entitled to it, though, I suppose. sneer [/B]
I also find it funny that you think Superman owned the entirety of Imperiex's energies, just by pushing against the thrusters of Warworld. Per your opinion, that feat alone would effectively make Supes > a universal power. Do you really even believe that, or are you arguing just to argue? uhuh
Originally posted by Galan007
Ah, so despite having access to all of Imperiex's energies, the best tactic B13 could come up with was using 'all of' said energies to make Warworld fly really fast against Supes? If that's the case then I retract my former statement regarding B13 -- he was an absolute idiot. You'd think a being of his intelligence would have, you know, done something offensive with all that power. :/I also find it funny that you think Superman owned the entirety of Imperiex's energies, just by pushing against the thrusters of Warworld. Per your opinion, that feat alone would effectively make Supes > a universal power. Do you really even believe that, or are you arguing just to argue? uhuh
I'm just going by what the comic presents, breh. ermmhappy
Originally posted by batdude123"That's right, I said girlS."
Sorry, I can't hear you over all this p*ssy.biscuits
Originally posted by Starscream MYou've unraveled the mystery. 👆
maybe superman developed a power which allowed him to create a invisible undetectable forcefield which trapped brainiac's sentience within warworld as long as superman was in physical contact with it?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's still a feat beyond most skyfathers. You honestly don't think he was tanking entropy at the very least? Or the fact that B-13 was panicking the whole time?I think you're digging abit here, mon sage frere. vin
Your arguments about superman always revolves around Physical abilities. IN a battle with a skyfather such as zeus or especially odin i dont care how physically strong the hearld is. Superman can be 1000 times stronger then odin and he still loses to the skyfather. If this was a pure physical fight odin would be one shotted with supes little finger. But then again pretty much anyone would. The term skyfather and elder god has got very vauge on theses boards. Most skyfathers are not noted for great physical feats anyhow.