Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Jean tried that also and it failed.
What issue was this in?
Anyway, Maxima is in a whole other league than Jean (without the PF). She's telekineticly held CONTINENTS together according to comicvine. What's to stop her from pulverizing the ground beneath Jugzie's feat, and as he's falling in the crater she's created, lifting him with her TK. He's now officially FUGGED!
What's to stop her from encasing him in a TK forcefield and throwing him into space or something?
She has so many options it's not even funny.
I'm admitting she CANNOT get through his forcefield if it's up, but in the same fashion, he's NOT hurting her. She has almost Superman level strength, speed, stamina, and durability with NO weaknesses at all. Add her TK forcfields and there's no way Juggs is gonna do anything to her that she don't want done.
She absolutely isn't powerful enough to do any real damage to him.
But Juggernaut is an idiot and as has been said, he doesn't really exploit the full power of Cyttorak, nor has the shield been used in a long time.
She's too fast for him to hit in H2H. But is the juggernaut being vulnerable to TP or that his helmet shields him basic knowledge? Because if she's not smart enough to figure it out, it's a stalemate.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestShe will eventually tire out. Juggernaut doesn't. However that said. Even if she can't effect him directly she can condense the air around him until it can support him and hold him off the ground. I do believe her tk is sufficient for that at the very least.
She absolutely isn't powerful enough to do any real damage to him.But Juggernaut is an idiot and as has been said, he doesn't really exploit the full power of Cyttorak, nor has the shield been used in a long time.
She's too fast for him to hit in H2H. But is the juggernaut being vulnerable to TP or that his helmet shields him basic knowledge? Because if she's not smart enough to figure it out, it's a stalemate.
@TricksterPriest
I don't know if the TP/Helmet thing is common knowledge. I would think it could be, but I wouldn't be surprised if many forum members said no.
And again, I agree with you about the shield thing. He's had MANY appearances with that thing OFF! He's either stupid or the writers are morons. Either/Or 😄
Originally posted by Uriel005
She will eventually tire out. Juggernaut doesn't. However that said. Even if she can't effect him directly she can condense the air around him until it can support him and hold him off the ground. I do believe her tk is sufficient for that at the very least.
Hell, if the fight went long enough, then yes, he would win by default. He doesn't need food or rest.
But if she connects the dots on the helmet, or tries to take it off, he's screwed.
Edit: I just remembered the part with Jean. If he can still do that, or fight against active TK repelling him, she has to go H2H.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
So Juggernaut = Doomsday now? My God, there are some crazy opinions on this site.
go here and read this thread many people think so
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=513953
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Damn you shut everybody up 😂 😂
How is that shutting anyone up? That scan is at least 30+ years old. Jean used to have problems lifting even moderately heavy objects and would strain to lift 5 teammates aloft, Scott even made mention of this after she became the Phoenix.
Maxima has held CONTINENTAL PLATES together using her TK. See the difference in power between Jean from 30+ years ago pre-Phoenix and Maxima?
Originally posted by zopzop
How is that shutting anyone up? That scan is at least 30+ years old. Jean used to have problems lifting even moderately heavy objects and would strain to lift 5 teammates aloft, Scott even made mention of this after she became the Phoenix.Maxima has held CONTINENTAL PLATES together using her TK. See the difference in power between Jean from 30+ years ago pre-Phoenix and Maxima?
Stop makin excuses. You asked for the scan and he showed you. You practically begged for the scan. Until you can show me Maxima using her tk to stop Juggernauts forcefield or me showing you he can push throughit the best wehave is that scan. Jean in no way implies that she is to weak to hold him...fact is he is stronger than tk.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Stop makin excuses. You asked for the scan and he showed you. You practically begged for the scan. Until you can show me Maxima using her tk to stop Juggernauts forcefield or me showing you he can push throughit the best wehave is that scan. Jean in no way implies that she is to weak to hold him...fact is he is stronger than tk.
Do you really want me give you a lesson on how pathetic Jean's TK was before she became Phoenix?
I thought he was gonna give us a recent scan not something from the 60s.
Originally posted by zopzop
Do you really want me give you a lesson on how pathetic Jean's TK was before she became Phoenix?I thought he was gonna give us a recent scan not something from the 60s.
again more excuses. This was not a matter of her having weak TK this is a matter of Juggernaut being unstoppable. Maxima is not stopping him either and she sure isnt removing his force field unless she is all of a sudden magic.
Originally posted by I Am Sam Mam
There is no shield from Juggs in that pic. That is Jean's TK wrapping around Juggs and Jean Struggling to hold Jugs. You forget that Jean has held Juggernaut later on with her TK in his powered form. She even remarks how she is powerful enough to hold him until all the xmen get there. This was aroundxmen300-325. Yeah, Maxima can get the helmet off of him. Hell, Jean isn't even trying to remove the helmet in that scan.
Not saying it didnt happen but I never remember her stopping him ever.
Originally posted by I Am Sam Mam
No. That isn't what the scan is saying. The scan says that she couldn't hold him because of his weight. And he was pressing against her TK with his strength. His unstoppable power was overridden the moment she picked him up off the ground. And that was weak pathetic Jean that managed to do that.
His strength was not over ridden he was still moving forward even when she held him up off the ground....He was pushing ahead on gravity and her tk. She quotes "He is advancing against me" that means dude was still pushing forward.