Maxima vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by leonidas
doesn't diana have some uber mind protection? something from the gods or something? or did she lose that? if she does and it comes down to a straight physical battle, i'd go with diana. i've seen the tk-continent scene dozens of times, but..... where has max actually used tk to defeat anyone of merit? where has she really used it offensively in a battle at all?

Yeah, she's been upgraded with the Eyes of Pallas which render her highly resistant to mental influence. Max Lord was completely unable to effect her - save this recent feat in JL: Generation Lost - as have been Dr. Psycho. Furthermore, so long as she's in contact with the lasso, its ability to peel away lies and illusions further bolsters her defenses. I don't think she's immune, but resistant enough to a point where it would take some serious TP to effect her. Current Diana is another story, obviously.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, she's been upgraded with the Eyes of Pallas which render her highly resistant to mental influence. Max Lord was completely unable to effect her - save this recent feat in JL: Generation Lost - as have been Dr. Psycho. Furthermore, so long as she's in contact with the lasso, its ability to peel away lies and illusions further bolsters her defenses. I don't think she's immune, but resistant enough to a point where it would take some serious TP to effect her. Current Diana is another story, obviously.

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then i'd go with diana in this--just--but it would be a helluva fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure Diana would even want Superman as a reward.

Maxima has used her TP on Diana before, but Diana's mental resistance - and powers in general - have since been upgraded to being pretty fortified against offensive mental intrusion. Her best bet would be to rely on her weapons and skill in using them.

Maxima versus Diana prior to JMS' run would be a closer match than the Diana that was around while Maxima was still alive, imo. Either way, I think Maxima has the advantage.

Diana would want to keep Superman away from Maxima. He is one of her closest friends after all. I'm sure she wouldn't like the thought of Maxima keeping Kal-El against his will.

As for the fight I think they are physically even being around Supes level, but not exactly as strong/fast/durable.

Didn't Diana have some uber TP defenses? By the way how would the match go in the instance Maxima doesn't use telepathy to handle her.

How would Diana's standard equipment fare against Maxima. Could she not trap Maxima in the lasso etc. etc.?

Isn't Doctor Psycho an uber TP? Hell, if I recall correctly, didn't Circe try to mindrape Diana and fail? Does TK work on the lasso?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Diana would want to keep Superman away from Maxima. He is one of her closest friends after all. I'm sure she wouldn't like the thought of Maxima keeping Kal-El against his will.

As for the fight I think they are physically even being somewhat around Supes level, but not exactly matching him blow for blow.

Didn't Diana have some uber TP defenses? By the way how would the match go in the instance Maxima doesn't use telepathy to handle her.

How would Diana's standard equipment fare against Maxima. Could she not trap Maxima in the lasso etc. etc.?

Good point. I didn't consider that aspect lol

Yeah, she does have impressive TP defenses under her own power and then bolstered defenses if she uses the lasso on herself. I'd have to read that fight again to give an indepth opinion, but I'm of the opinion that Maxima's power levels were introduced being >= Wonder Woman and Diana has since been steadily upgraded in her own ongoing. Diana prior to JMS was her high point in terms of strength, ability, equipment, etc.

I think if we look at Maxima's TK being linked to metal, Diana's bracers and tiara might be an issue here. I don't think Maxima would be able to destroy them, but move them against Diana's will, probably. The lasso is a wildcard here. Provided she can lasso Maxima and activate one of its useful abilities, Diana should win this, but she'll have to be tag her with it.

As far as TK on the lasso goes, I don't see why it couldn't be moved. Destroying it or transmuting it, obviously not going to happen, but throwing it off to the side, sure, I can see it. It's not quite user exclusive as say, Mjolnir, or an encrypted power ring.

Personally, I think Diana wouldn't rely on the lasso as she would want to fight Max in H2H considering their mutual warrior background. Once Max used her other powers, it would probably cause Diana to likewise rely on her equipment.

Okay people....Maxima is NOT PROFESSOR X. Why is it whenever there is a "Maxima vs ____ " thread, there are a million comments saying "Depends on how resistant to TP ____ is". Does everyone realize she has a ton of other powers? She would beat Wonder Woman. No question about it.

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Yeah Maxima is not Professor X but its not like Diana is the Hulk. Diana is roughly her physical equal IMO and is more skilled; plus her weapons can be very, very dangerous.

Talking peak Diana, not the current watered down version.

Is Maxima as fast as Wondy? 2nd, can the bracers and tiara be TKed?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Is Maxima as fast as Wondy? 2nd, can the bracers and tiara be TKed?

Maxima, as far as I remember, didn't showcase her speed unless she had to like 1 of the many times she fought Supes. However I don't think Diana can just speedblitz her. I don't know about the TK. Speaking of the bracers, how powerful are Zeus's lightning bolts?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Is Maxima as fast as Wondy? 2nd, can the bracers and tiara be TKed?

Probably. Dr. Polaris was able to manipulate them, wasn't he?

I don't know, that instance was kinda PISisy. Like martian blood being more iron rich, and the GL ring being susceptible to magnetics? Also, that's magnetism and not TK. And Polaris was the south pole at the time.

Well, other people have used her equipment and have grabbed it and the like, so using TK shouldn't be too far fetched. I think matter manipulation would be tricky, but using telekinesis to mentally move her gear shouldn't be a real issue.

The Zeus bracers haven't really done a whole lot, but they did manage to stagger the demonic entity that Hippolyta got the enchanted clay from to make Diana in the first place. They also harmed the Hawaiian God of Violence.

Regarding Dianna's resistance to TP: I don't know if the name Brainwave Jr. rings any bells, but he is a telepath of a VERY high order -- as is Brainiac 5. And -presumably- a pissed off Orion /w/ a Motherbox would have quite a high tolerance to TP as well... Max, rather easily, mindraped those guys. That said, I doubt very highly that her TP would be ineffectual here... Nor would her psi-bolts/forcefields/TK/etc.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure Diana would even want Superman as a reward.

Warned.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Warned.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Regarding Dianna's resistance to TP: I don't know if the name Brainwave Jr. rings any bells, but he is a telepath of a VERY high order -- as is Brainiac 5. And -presumably- a pissed off Orion /w/ a Motherbox would have quite a high tolerance to TP as well... Max, rather easily, mindraped those guys. That said, I doubt very highly that her TP would be ineffectual here... Nor would her psi-bolts/forcefields/TK/etc.

I haven't read any Wondy in a little while, but I'm pretty sure she's been established immune to tp post Eye of Pallas upgrade. Unless you think Maxima > Athena.

Maxima wins, but I think it's more a matter of them being around the same weight class with Maxima having a huge advantage in that she can just use tk.

Diana did better against a Doomsday clone, who was said to be stronger than the original. Maxima on the other hand, was getting her a** handed by the original. I think Diana takes the majority, but then again I've only read OWAW and DoS, so I'm not familiar with Maximan. Even so, Diana is highly resistant to TP. Despero and Starro have been the only one's to bypass her defenses. Other than that, I've never seen Diana mindcontrolled.

As for the fight, Diana has her weapons and new ability (lighting).

Originally posted by aztec
Diana did better against a Doomsday clone, who was said to be stronger than the original.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Isn't Doctor Psycho an uber TP? Hell, if I recall correctly, didn't Circe try to mindrape Diana and fail? Does TK work on the lasso?

Yep, he's one sick mofo!! That's why I love him!! In Infinite Companion, he was blocking the Martian from entering the villians minds when they were attacking Metropolis.

I highly reccommend Superman "Strange Attractors". I never cared for him, until Gail Simone made me fall in love with loony. 😄