Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse vs Maxima

Originally posted by spetznaz
If there was an inter-company exchange draft, Apoc is a character that needs to immediately move to DC.

He'd be a world beater. Not even a team beater ....a world beater.

This is why, for instance, I did not say who would win between MM and Apoc (because, if Apoc was written well he would be a nightmare). I decided to just concentrate on the underestimation of the Martian Manhunter (no need to touch on Apoc ....nearly everyone here knows he is written soppy and downgraded by Marvel, but MM on the other hand is written very well by DC, but most people on KMC still sleep on him ....although I'd bet most of those are Wikipedia-readers who never touch comics, check something out on Wiki, and then come and post). That is why i did not say MM would win, or Apoc would win.

But it's true .....in the same way that MM is slept on by KMC members, Apocalypse is SERIOUSLY slept on by Marvel Comics.

It is like he stole money or something!

The first and last word on this subject. I hope he comes back some day. 🙁

Originally posted by illadelph12
I say team. Most of Maxima's offense won't really effect Apocalypse, and options like bio warfare are still on the table. Every match doesn't have to be a punch and blast fest.

🙁

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

Delph wouldn't. He hates Superman because he represents 'The Man'. 😛

Originally posted by Konton
🙁

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

As if that would ever happen

Apocalypse grabs Maxima by throat rips her head off and teleport inside the sun, burns her brain cells and then teleports himself out again

Originally posted by illadelph12
I say team. Most of Maxima's offense won't really effect Apocalypse, and options like bio warfare are still on the table. Every match doesn't have to be a punch and blast fest.

What's stopping Maxima from BFRing Apoc by creating a table using her telekinesis and hurling it at Apoc? Then it'd be only her and Sinister and he'd last all of 6 seconds. 😆

Originally posted by Konton
🙁

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

Originally posted by GRIMNIR
As if that would ever happen

Apocalypse grabs Maxima by throat rips her head off and teleport inside the sun, burns her brain cells and then teleports himself out again

Originally posted by 753
well, she aint really on par with him to begin with. no true superspeed to speak of and both weaker and more fragile.

She is without a doubt Apocalypse's superior in terms of physical power and speed. But you don't have to be = to Superman to be that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He hates Superman because he represents 'The Man'. 😛

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
facepalm

A bloodlusted Superman would wreck her no doubt, but she's gone toe to toe with regular Superman and even won at one point in h/h.

She is without a doubt Apocalypse's superior in terms of physical power and speed. But you don't have to be = to Superman to be that.

Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Delph wouldn't. He hates Superman because he represents 'The Man'. 😛

I hate Superman because his pops tried to lock me up.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

It's too bad we also have to consider Apocalypse's personality, and penchant for forgetting the large variety of ways open to him to deal with, say, an opponent's super strength.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

none of poccy's stats other than damage soak match hers and while he has resisted impressive TK blasts, he has also been severely hurt by them and knew damn well that cable (or x-man) could kill him.

bio warfare is great and all, but I dont recall them creating and releasing a plague mid-battle. poccy is all implied power and disapointment.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

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next 2 posts = bangin

Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

And hey while we're at it why not allow Maxima to transport the Almeracian army?

Originally posted by 753
poccy is all implied power and disapointment.

But he got that cool big "A" belt buckle! Hater!!!!! 😠

Originally posted by Konton
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Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

So Apocalypse is just going to sit there and let Maxima teleport him into the sun? And last time I checked, he possesses the ability to teleport as well.

Basically, in this thread we have people assuming that Maxima is going to fight to the best of her abilities whereas Apocalypse is going to fight like a retard without properly utilizing any of his powers. CIS is off for both characters you people.

Originally posted by Existere
If we only took powersets into account, this would be a pretty accurate assessment.

It's too bad we also have to consider Apocalypse's personality, and penchant for forgetting the large variety of ways open to him to deal with, say, an opponent's super strength.

Even taking his personality into account my comment stands. Apocalypse is a schemer and acts via proxy, but when he has to engage in direct combat, on panel, he's used his powers to great effect. The Ikaris encounter, his battles with X-Factor and the X-Men, and his battle with High Evolutionary all show this. Most Apocalypse appearances don't display him engaged in combat, but on the occurrences when he has actually fought in his 616 version he has proven to be exceptionally formidable. The statement that he doesn't use his powers in combat is a board myth. The truth is that he doesn't take the direct approach in most of his appearances, not that when he actually does he isn't formidable.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Teleporting Sinster would be self bfr.

And hey while we're at it why not allow Maxima to transport the Almeracian army?

Sinister is a combatant. Apocalypse teleporting him somewhere during battle so he can get something already in his possession for use in battle is very different than bringing in other active combatants like you suggest. It's like a Dr. Doom vs thread where he is argued to use tech not normally on his person (like the gun he used to encase Storm in metal) but is known to be in Doom's possession at Castle Doom. Sinister is in the top 3 of Marvel Geneticists behind H.E. and Apoc. Dude has options beyond punching and kicking. So does Apoc. Hell, so does Maxima. Quit simplifying combat.

It's still self BFR.

Romulus is supposed to be a better geneticist than sinister and magneto shits all over his feats.

Depends on the battlfield.