Originally posted by King Kandy
Iron Kung Fu vs. bladed weapons is ludicrous...for something so many people claim to be able to do, you'd think there would be actual, legitimate video footage of someone demonstrating it. The fact that there isn't, makes it almost certain that the technique does not really exist.
Oh really?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Oh really?
Parlor tricks. I would love to see what would happen if an impartial third party with some fallow through swung that bat. 😎
You never get a very good angle on it but the traditional methods for that trick are using a rounded point and positioning yourself to take the force on flat of the blade. It's worth noting that the didn't throw the spear at him like the show with the watermelon or any other use of the spear outside of that one ancient trick. Have him get stabbed in the gut and walk away, then we'll talk about chi.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Parlor tricks. I would love to see what would happen if an impartial third party with some fallow through swung that bat. 😎
Yeah, that made me laugh. They really glazed over the fact that the guy only hit the demonstrator half as hard.
Doesn't tell us much anyhow, Houdini could do the same thing without involving any chi.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You never get a very good angle on it but the traditional methods for that trick are using a rounded point and positioning yourself to take the force on flat of the blade. It's worth noting that the didn't throw the spear at him like the show with the watermelon or any other use of the spear outside of that one ancient trick. Have him get stabbed in the gut and walk away, then we'll talk about chi.
You just had to be that guy, didn't you. The one who's still shaking his head in denial, even after the prosecution has presented all evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. "Yeah, yeah, but I wanna see him do this, this, and that!". Really? C'mon man...
You're just grasping for straws in an attempt to show how unimpressed you are by a clearly incredible feat. That's the same kind of thing that habitual one-uppers do. I could always say this: Let's see you do that if you think its just smoke and mirrors. And if you don't have the spine to do it, then I rest my case.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah, that made me laugh. They really glazed over the fact that the guy only hit the demonstrator half as hard.Doesn't tell us much anyhow, Houdini could do the same thing without involving any chi.
Now that's debatable. Houdini was killed by a punch to the abdoment...how lame is that? I've been in scraps and walked away with worse, and I'm still here breathing. So if he got bumped but such a petty manouver, its highly unlikely that he could take a blade to the throat with 2,900 PSI and walk away from it. More like he'd decapitate himself.
He was killed a punch for Christ's sake, and you're saying he could do what that Shaolin Monk did? Please. He was an escape artist, not a martial artist.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You just had to be that guy, didn't you. The one who's still shaking his head in denial, even after the prosecution has presented all evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. "Yeah, yeah, but I wanna see him do this, this, and that!". Really? C'mon man...You're just grasping for straws in an attempt to show how unimpressed you are by a clearly incredible feat. That's the same kind of thing that habitual one-uppers do. I could always say this: Let's see you do that if you think its just smoke and mirrors. And if you don't have the spine to do it, then I rest my case.
I don't think SC is wrong, at all. The tip is rounded and he does support some of the force on his his clavicles with the flat portion of the blade.
Still, that's 2900 psi. Even if the blade slightly flattens and gives more support, that's a lot of force in a very small area. I do not think, even a little, though, that it is outside the realm of science, like the video suggests. That was pseudo-science, at best. "The blade flattens and you can see the mark." Yeah...the 2900 psi probably would change since it's spread out over a larger area than they are estimating. How is that gauge measuring? Does it assume one square inch on the other end? If so, what is the upper limit for a regular human? Then measure what he is. Is he greater than 2 standard deviations above the regular human upper limit?
Boom.
Answers.
And I'm not even coming close to doing a "real" science suggestion. That lady that had the Ph.D. probably knew better. But she was getting paid quite well to be on that show.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You just had to be that guy, didn't you. The one who's still shaking his head in denial, even after the prosecution has presented all evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. "Yeah, yeah, but I wanna see him do this, this, and that!". Really? C'mon man...You're just grasping for straws in an attempt to show how unimpressed you are by a clearly incredible feat. That's the same kind of thing that habitual one-uppers do. I could always say this: Let's see you do that if you think its just smoke and mirrors. And if you don't have the spine to do it, then I rest my case.
Where did I say it wasn't impressive? It's amazing. But it doesn't prove what people pretend it does, though building a myth around a trick is great for producing a sense of magic. Like I knew this guy who though he was hot shit with math because he knew how to multiply large numbers in his head really fast so I had someone write me a calculus problem and gave it to him.
Though from your tone I assume some of this is feigned trolling.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Now that's debatable. Houdini was killed by a punch to the abdoment...how lame is that? I've been in scraps and walked away with worse, and I'm still here breathing. So if he got bumped but such a petty manouver, its highly unlikely that he could take a blade to the throat with 2,900 PSI and walk away from it. More like he'd decapitate himself.He was killed a punch for Christ's sake, and you're saying he could do what that Shaolin Monk did? Please. He was an escape artist, not a martial artist.
Houdini was killed by a punch he was completely unprepared for . . .
Chi as an "energy" in MA doesn't exist, period. Only a 5 years old would buy that crap. What the old fighters mastered and was later mystified as "chi" is the precise muscular balance of strength and relaxation when hitting and the biomechanical centrifugal forces.
One vs one MMA is the best. But in a general street scenario, perhaps krav or Kempo would be more useful.
Originally posted by MetalIsDead
Chi as an "energy" in MA doesn't exist, period. Only a 5 years old would buy that crap. What the old fighters mastered and was later mystified as "chi" is the precise muscular balance of strength and relaxation when hitting and the biomechanical centrifugal forces.One vs one MMA is the best. But in a general street scenario, perhaps krav or Kempo would be more useful.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
MMA is designed as a sport, and MMA fighters train under the conditions one would under which they would in a sport. It's not necessarily as useful as "real" Martial Arts.
Do you really think that in a street fight a trained MMA fighter would hold back groin kicks, eye gouges, strikes to the back of the head and small joint manipulation?
No, that's not what I meant. I was saying that MMA isn't the most practical MA to use in a real life fight in spite of its popularity. It's primary purpose is for MMA fights, not real fights. In lieu of skill, some punk fighting an MMA fighter is going to get bloody hurt, but the reverse is true when an MMA fighter is going up against, say, someone experienced primarily in Muay Thai or Krav Maga.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
No, that's not what I meant. I was saying that MMA isn't the most practical MA to use in a real life fight in spite of its popularity. It's primary purpose is for MMA fights, not real fights. In lieu of skill, some punk fighting an MMA fighter is going to get bloody hurt, but the reverse is true when an MMA fighter is going up against, say, someone experienced primarily in Muay Thail or Krav Maga.
most MMA do incorporate some degree of muai thai/boxing.
Krav Maga is hardly a traditional MA. Military combat is a completely different thing from sport MA, yes... ?
Originally posted by inimalist
most MMA do incorporate some degree of muai thai/boxing.Krav Maga is hardly a traditional MA. Military combat is a completely different thing from sport MA, yes... ?
They do, but obviously not to the same degree that someone fully immersed in Muay Thai would be. The conditioning simply would be too time consuming for an MMA fighter. Like I said, MMA's primary purpose is as a sport and not as a Martial Art. MMA obviously has to incorporate Muay Thai and other martial art practices in order for it to work, but it's simply not the same nor as efficient as a MA someone has dedicated a large part of their life to.
I didn't say "traditional" in my post, I said "real". As in, used for actual combat and not for sporting events. A Krav Maga devotee will on average by a more seasoned and combat ready fighter than someone who does MMA. I have nothing against MMA fighters, and think a lot of them do have formidable knowledge of MA in general, but not necessarily the skills needed for combat. MMA is theatrical by it's very nature, so of course there's going to be a a certain trade off in combat efficiency.