Bullseye vs. Batgirl (Cass)

Straight up fight. No PIS or CIS.

Both fighting to the best of their ability to take the other out of the fight (Death/KO/Crippled).

Both get standard equipment. Bullseye gets his usual set of throwing weapons (knives, cards, shuriken, etc.), two sai, and two pistols. Batgirl gets her standard utility belt and everything that comes with it.

Takes place in an abandoned city environment, similar to both Gotham and NYC. They start 90 feet apart (the distance between home plate and first base).

Who takes it?

cassi wins

Fight starts; Bullseye pulls the trigger, Batgirl dodges and the fight is on.

45 seconds and 30 ricochets later, Batgirl gets a bullet in the back of her head. 😘

Good fight. I'll give Cass the majority. 7/10

you gave bullseye a GUN. cis is off. he MURDERS her. no toying around or anything

Actually, they gave him two guns.

yea, but he doesnt need two 😄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
two pistols

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They start 90 feet apart (the distance between home plate and first base).

why do you hate cass?

her funeral will be lovely .

Originally posted by complexbrother
her funeral will be lovely .

Closed casket after he blows her head off.

How does DD handle Bullseye when he has a gun?

Is it a "he doesn't, he just avoids this situation," kind of thing?

I've seen cassie allow bullets to get inches away from her face before dodging them with a playful smile. Bulls needs something faster than a gun to hit her with because if she closes the distance, she'll rip his adamantium spine out. Does he still have that?

Tough one. Like mentioned Cass had dodged bullets with ease before, however with Bullseye it'll most likely be a totally different story.

If Cass gets in close though she'll take it.

bullseye STOMPS

Originally posted by long pig
Bulls needs something faster than a gun to hit her

so, to you it is reasonable that Cass can't be tagged by anything moving slower than the speed of sound?

Yeah with a gun... Bullseye is pretty damn nasty. I would say B is good enough to defend himself in a h2h (not something he would want to get into) But without CIS Bullseye would be firing in all sorts of ways and ricocheting shit like crazy and eventually hits cass.

So how does DD deal with him when he has a gun?

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Sidenote, projectile speed isn't the primary degree of difficulty decider in dodging. To quote a certain ninja, "The problem with your gun is you have to point it where you want to send the bullets, and I can see that."

Unpredictability and such matter a lot more.

Originally posted by Q99
So how does DD deal with him when he has a gun?

imho, PIS, unless the context allows for DD to reasonably cut down the distance between the two

DD's radar sense also gives him a better spatial understanding of his opponent's body, so if any hero could be said to be able to accurately predict bullet trajectory, he seems the best

Originally posted by Q99
Sidenote, projectile speed isn't the primary degree of difficulty decider in dodging. To quote a certain ninja, "The problem with your gun is you have to point it where you want to send the bullets, and I can see that."

Unpredictability and such matter a lot more.

maybe in a fictional universe, sure, and if that is the excuse people want to use in most bulletdodging feats, I wont argue against that the same way I wont argue that radiation doesn't give people superpowers

this is an entire red herring, though, as many bullet dodging feats have nothing to do with processing the gun aim. Many bullet dodging feats have heroes dodging bullets in mid flight, or ones fired when their back was turned. In these instances, "i saw where you were going to shoot" doesn't cover it, and show the inherent PIS of guns in comics.

lol, geez, I sound like a one trick pony on this lately...

Originally posted by inimalist
imho, PIS, unless the context allows for DD to reasonably cut down the distance between the two

DD's radar sense also gives him a better spatial understanding of his opponent's body, so if [b]any hero could be said to be able to accurately predict bullet trajectory, he seems the best
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If there's two heroes who can, it'd be DD and Cass.

maybe in a fictional universe, sure, and if that is the excuse people want to use in most bulletdodging feats, I wont argue against that the same way I wont argue that radiation doesn't give people superpowers

Most projectiles, the travel speed is high enough that the distance between shooter and target doesn't give enough time move a body out of the way no matter what the projectile is.

Odds are if someone has you in their sights from 20 feet away, whether it's crossbow bolt, bullet, or laser it hardly matters, the speed of the projectile leaves you insufficient dodging time to react in all three cases. The bolt just gives you 'practically squat' time before you're hit and the laser gives you 'actually squat'.

Seeing where the aim is and avoiding it is pretty much the only way to dodge fire, and getting out of the way of the barrel requires significantly less speed than 'projectile dodging' in all cases.

Many bullet dodging feats have heroes dodging bullets in mid flight, or ones fired when their back was turned. In these instances, "i saw where you were going to shoot" doesn't cover it, and show the inherent PIS of guns in comics.

Personally I generally chalk it up to artistic license. Because... comic bullets are like 30 mph otherwise 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
So how does DD deal with him when he has a gun?

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Sidenote, projectile speed isn't the primary degree of difficulty decider in dodging. To quote a certain ninja, "The problem with your gun is you have to point it where you want to send the bullets, and I can see that."

Unpredictability and such matter a lot more.

BE 7/10