ROTS Versus Vector Prime Luke Skywalker
This is Luke Skywalker, from the very first NJO book, Vector Prime, against Darth Sidious as he appeared in Revenge of the Sith.
They face each other in the Genosian arena.
1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All out
And the winner?
EDIT: Sorry 'bout the title, fellas. I've been facing down Darth Crack again. 😆 😮💨
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Originally posted by truejedi
I think Luke, by the beginning of NJO has become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
lawl
TJ
I would almost give him that title by the end of Dark Empire actually. But not quite.
The accuracy of this would depend on what you mean by "undisputed heavyweight champion of the world." He defeated the reborn Emperor in a duel, but couldn't come close to beating the Emperor's Force Storm on his own.
TJ
He also shows some ridiculous power in Shadows of Mindor.
Oh?
TJ
but by NJO, he is established.
Oh?
Originally posted by RagingBonerThe accuracy of this would depend on what you mean by "undisputed heavyweight champion of the world." He defeated the reborn Emperor in a duel, but couldn't come close to beating the Emperor's Force Storm on his own.
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Originally posted by truejedi
dueling would obviously be the nature of a versus thread... He took out the champ, (DE sidious) that makes him, the champ. mebbe. depending on how much Leia helped him. (which, since he couldn't even tell he was being helped, couldn't have been that much)
I don't know about that. One of the Essential guides says that both hers and Anakins (Solo, obviously) power was added to his. I think this is a pretty close fight, but I'd imagine that Luke takes it after a difficult battle. Sidious is better overall with the Force, but Luke is more combat oriented.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I don't know about that. One of the Essential guides says that both hers and Anakins (Solo, obviously) power was added to his. I think this is a pretty close fight, but I'd imagine that Luke takes it after a difficult battle. Sidious is better overall with the Force, but Luke is more combat oriented.
Good estimation. 😮💨
Despite a severe aversion to comic books, I've recently come into possession of a rather nifty collection of stills from DE (courtesy of the esteemed Borborad) and would like to formally announce that I have a force field against quote mining.
A certain someone's bias is showing, and I would like to take issue with this line, quoted from his first post in this thread:
The accuracy of this would depend on what you mean by "undisputed heavyweight champion of the world." He defeated the reborn Emperor in a duel, but couldn't come close to beating the Emperor's Force Storm on his own.
The image:
Note first that Luke did not sense Leia's contribution of Force energy. One explanation, supplied by tj above, is that her efforts up to this point were negligible. That theory certainly makes sense, given that Leia has not trained with any sort of Battle Meditation technique and any support offered would be clumsy and instinctive, hardly the sort of game-changing special circumstance that merits an asterisk by Luke's defeat of Palpatine.
The charge that Luke's oversight was merely the result of his own deficiencies, especially in metaphysical precision, is not supported by the narrative up to this point. At the beginning of the series, he is already described as the "essence of the Jedi" and is deft enough to engage in metaphysical combat from across the Galaxy.
Later on, Luke is shown to already have a masterful control of illusory techniques. He sends a mirage to guide Han and Leia away from Byss, fooling both the minds of his friends and the physical sensors of R2-D2. This indicates that he constantly projected a physical presence, as well as fooling Leia's Force senses/twin bond. Every time Ghost!Luke interacted with anything, from Leia's skin to a simple piece of paper or even the air itself, Luke had to use TK from miles and miles away. This suggests a rather refined control of the Force, rather than the clumsy connection required to overlook a massive influx of energy during a critical duel.
Now that we have established that Luke is not a bumbling nincompoop, it is clear that Leia's assistance, if any, during the lightsaber duel was not noteworthy. Let's look at your claim again, with this new perspective:
[Luke] couldn't come close to beating the Emperor's Force Storm on his own.
"As Leia's intensity continues to unlock unexpected resources in Luke..."
I would go even further; it seems to me that Luke was the one providing power, and the most that can be attributed to Leia is the permission to remove the gloves and really go all out.
I was with you up to here. Are you saying that Leia's power wasn't even a factor? Because thats clearly not the case.
Hell the word 'intensity' suggests that its not exactly negligable.
RN
A certain someone's bias is showing, and I would like to take issue with this line, quoted from his first post in this thread:
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A certain someone
The accuracy of this would depend on what you mean by "undisputed heavyweight champion of the world." He defeated the reborn Emperor in a duel, but couldn't come close to beating the Emperor's Force Storm on his own.
RN
I would go even further; it seems to me that Luke was the one providing power, and the most that can be attributed to Leia is the permission to remove the gloves and really go all out.
The Essential Guide to the Force, page 6
Fortunately, Luke eventually realized that he could not defeat Palpatine alone, and the Dark Lord ultimately failed to seduce Leia or any of her children.
the Dark Empire Sourcebook, page 74
Force Harmony
Control Difficulty: Difficult, modified by proximity
Sense Difficulty: Difficult, modified by relationship
Alter Difficulty: Moderate
Required Power: Life detection, life sense, projective
telepathy, receptive telepathy
This power can be kept “up.”
Effect: This allows several willing Jedi to manifest
the power of the Light Side. As long as this power is
held up, it bathes the users in the celestial illumination
that is the Light Side. It can act as a shield
against the powers of the Dark Side, giving an extra
5D for each Force user involved to resist the effects
of powers called upon by Dark Side servants. Note
that +5D may appear to be an immense bonus, but
since this power must be kept up, the Jedi calling
upon the power is suffering a 2D penalty simply for
calling upon this power. One can only link as many
Force users as the initiator of the power has control
or sense dice, whichever skill is lower.
For example, if Leia used Force harmony,
since her control is 5D+1 and her sense is 4D+2,
she would only be able to link a total of four people
(including herself).
When acting as a shield against the Dark
Side, if both the control and sense rolls exceed
the success roll of the Dark Side power used (if
the power requires multiple skill rolls, the highest
roll), then the Dark Side power is interrupted.
All “up” powers are interrupted as if the user were
stunned. It does not cancel out the presence of the
Dark Side, but can distract its servants and make
their actions more difficult.
Example: Leia and Luke Skywalker try to disrupt
Palpatine’s Force storm, which is destroying the
Republic’s fleet. Palpatine is in the room with them.
Luke and Leia and Leia ‘s new child are related by
blood and are all strong with the Force. Leia spends
a Force Point and links Luke and the child with the
Light Side; her control roll is 47 and her sense roll
is 36. She successfully uses the Force harmony
power, giving everyone a +5D against the effects of
any Dark Side powers. If both of these rolls exceed
75
Palpatine ‘s highest skill roll when he summoned
the Force storm, then Palpatine ‘s control over the
Force storm is severed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
See? Clearly Leia rolled a natural 5 on that D5 roll. An 'immense bonus' to be sure.
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Good points..
So Luke by the beggining of NJO is roughly slightly more powerful than RotS Sidious?
Also with the lightsaber, I'd imagine.
Yes, one hell of a tough fight for Luke, but he'd win.
Good points. 😮💨
Originally posted by Nephthys
I was with you up to here. Are you saying that Leia's power wasn't even a factor? Because thats clearly not the case.Hell the word 'intensity' suggests that its not exactly negligable.
Leia's intervention was not only a factor, it was quite clearly the decisive one.
Dark Empire
As Leia's intensity continues to unlock unexpected resources in Luke...
It's Leia's intensity that "unlocks" these unexpected reserves of power within Luke, not Luke himself.
Jump forward to the last third party box on the page:
Dark Empire
With the power of luminous beings, brother and sister Jedi press the Force around the dark nexus that is Emperor Palpatine...
If this was just Luke and just Luke's power at play, Leia wouldn't be described as pressing the Force around Palpatine.
The Essential Guide to the Force, page 6
Fortunately, Luke eventually realized that he could not defeat Palpatine alone, and the Dark Lord ultimately failed to seduce Leia or any of her children.
