Originally posted by Allankles
I'm of the same opinion that Supes today would beat H/P DD as he was portrayed then. As far DS goes, he was also pretty weak under Jurgens, as was Apokolips as a whole in fact.Starlin and Morrison (off the top of my head) as among his most recent writers portrayed him with far more power than Jurgens.
Their versions of DS would quickly put down H/P DD.
hmm, perhaps you're right. were the story written today though, i have serious doubts it would go down differently. i think dd was portrayed relatively. were it written today, i think he would have simply been written to be more powerful.
perhaps that is what dc is doing with him now.
oh, as for the thread--the jump to 6 is too great imo. they could wrok to get to odin, then odin obliterates them. he starts by taking mjollnir and beating thor with it, and drains thor of his life-force if he chooses. putting thor in a battle with odin does NOT help supes and ss...... specially when supes has no particular special defense against magic.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The reason I mentioned the S/B one was because it wasn't proof. Darkseid has used the Omega on Superman before, and it's worked, he's just never (iirc) tried to erase him from existence.From all the years of their scuffles, Darkseid has had superiority. Superman gets his licks in, and bar Orion is probably the one person who could take DS down in a fight, but Darkseid is still more powerful.
The ONLY time I can remember Superman ever getting serious with Darkseid was during the time he rambed him into the source wall and the other time was when he punched Darkseid so hard it almost knocked their tower out of orbit.
The rest came from a leniant Superman.
Why isn't S/B proof that Superman could handle the Omegas? I'm not referring to that instance but that should also be a reliable source.
Superman has fought Darkseid more than enough to know how to beat him AND pull a majority imo. From their skuffles, he has resisted AND outpaced the Omegas... Darkseid only trump card. Superman rarely if ever use his versatility when facing Darkseid, he goes fist cuffs.
Originally posted by carver9
The ONLY time I can remember Superman ever getting serious with Darkseid was during the time he rambed him into the source wall and the other time was when he punched Darkseid so hard it almost knocked their tower out of orbit.The rest came from a leniant Superman.
Why isn't S/B proof that Superman could handle the Omegas? I'm not referring to that instance but that should also be a reliable source.
Superman has fought Darkseid more than enough to know how to beat him AND pull a majority imo. From their skuffles, he has resisted AND outpaced the Omegas... Darkseid only trump card. Superman rarely if ever use his versatility when facing Darkseid, he goes fist cuffs.
S/B, i was talking about the whole "he's necessary to existence" type thing.
and no, darkseid has backhanded even a pissed off superman in his time.
he hasn't resisted all of the omega. not nearly.
he does use his versatility, he uses speed and hv.
Originally posted by -Pr-I respectfully disagree with that view
IMO current Superman could beat him by himself. So with the other two there, they kill him to death, either with energy attacks or just plain brute force.
yes, superman today is far stronger more powerful than the superman that dd wrecked
but remember, Superman said DD was not beatable. he didn't say "if I get more heroes, we can overpower him". he said the only way to beat dd is to bfr him out of existence.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I respectfully disagree with that viewyes, superman today is far stronger more powerful than the superman that dd wrecked
but remember, Superman said DD was not beatable. he didn't say "if I get more heroes, we can overpower him". he said the only way to beat dd is to bfr him out of existence.
that just means that THAT superman couldn't beat him. which was fifteen years ago. pre i think at least two upgrades, and a heap load of training.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and no, darkseid has backhanded even a pissed off superman in his time.
i think that happened in the superpowers arc. didn't supes go in, get smacked, then go in again and get slapped down a second time?? that was hilarious..... 😂
one of the rare times ds showed clear superiority over kal.
Originally posted by leonidas
i think that happened in the superpowers arc. didn't supes go in, get smacked, then go in again and get slapped down a second time?? that was hilarious..... 😂one of the rare times ds showed clear superiority over kal.
i was talking about Our Worlds At War, but if there's another one...
Originally posted by Starscream M
hey guys, I should've put this in...but Odin isn't allowed to mess with thor's powers in this fight.
still don't see it ending any differently i'm afraid. 😬
if supes was given enough energy to somehow be a threat (not that odin couldn't simply cut ss off and prevent him from granting power--he could stop time if he needed to) odin could simply bfr him then kill the other 2.
those 3 have zero chance against odin.
Originally posted by -Pr-
S/B, i was talking about the whole "he's necessary to existence" type thing.and no, darkseid has backhanded even a pissed off superman in his time.
he hasn't resisted all of the omega. not nearly.
he does use his versatility, he uses speed and hv.
So are you telling me if Supes fought Darkseid in the same fashion he fought that Imperiex Probe that fell in Kansas that Darkseid could win?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, Darkseid could win. Whether he would or not, is debatable, but yes, he's perfectly capable of winning.
I disagree since Darkseid has never faced a Superman that fights like that and the one he does fight, he tends to struggle against. I don't think you are looking at the big picture Pr.
Originally posted by carver9
I disagree since Darkseid has never faced a Superman that fights like that and the one he does fight, he tends to struggle against. I don't think you are looking at the big picture Pr.
How am I not? Darkseid has faced a pissed off Superman before on more than one occasion. He's won too.
Superman rarely if ever gets the best of Darkseid without help or just plain poor writing.
What's the "big picture" I seem to be missing?
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... what are you lauging at Pr?That wasn't a joke.
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it was just funny to see you react like that.