Peter Parker vs. Luke Cage

Originally posted by SamZED
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I cant agree here, DD. He's still skilled, fast and agile. Even without powers years of experience and thousnads upon thousands battles would do that to you. That was shown when he lost his powers in the older books. And that is the reason he constantly beats characters who are stronger and faster than him. Not saying he wins this particular fight, I personally give this to Luke, but I do not believe Cage is more skilled just because he's had training with IF, Parker's got plenty of training as well as experience to the point he surprised IF with his skills. And even powerless he's faster and more agile than Luke. Cage wins this fight because of his weight and reach advantage. But only because of that.

When did spiderman ever surprise IF with fighting skill?

I know, thats what I have been saying since my first post. Luke wins becuase he physically much largers and has superior reach.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I mean when compared to his powered self. Him with out powers is not going to be much of a threat to any street leveler worth there gritt (nor would luke). I not saying Luke more skilled, in fact there likely around the same level of skill, but skill hardly matter in this fight. It going to come down to who physically more dominate and that is Luke.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

When did spiderman ever surprise IF with fighting skill?

Originally posted by SamZED
Agreed 100%.

When they fought on a rooftop. When he tossed him into a sign. He also fought Shang Chi on his terms. (the old fight)

I think I own the issue, is that the one were IF uses the dark to help him gian an advantage but he underestimates how good spidermans spider sense is.

Is that the old school issue around the time he fought SS. He and Shang-chi have h2h fight.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I think I own the issue, is that the one were IF uses the dark to help him gian an advantage but he underestimates how good spidermans spider sense is.

Is that the old school issue around the time he fought SS. He and Shang-chi have h2h fight.

Yeah, but im not talking abut the ss part but the one where SM uses his own mometum against IF.

Yes, iirc that's the one. They wrestled, the whole "use your opponents strength and weight against him" thing. Spider-man eventually jumped to the ceiling but for awhile held his own using locks/throws etc

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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Dude if you weight 100 pounds more then your opponent and posses a signifcant reach advantage your going to win unless the person is much more skilled then you. This idea that it goes both ways it just not true. Cage is significantly larger he be several weight classes above him. It quite easy to see who would win. I honestly think your reaching.

and Id like to remind U that size does *not* = autowin

sure I'll grant that Pete prolly isnt as physically strong, but that doesnt mean hes a weakling by any means, nor is he stupid he stupid enuff to try to fight Luke in ways that would clearly give *him* the advantage (like a straight-up fist-fight would.)

Tazer

My problem with the idea of Pete winning is I'm not sure short of using some kind of weapon how he can actually put a guy like Luke down.

No size isn't everything, there are big guys who have glass jaws, but Luke isn't one of those guys.

I do see Pete's agility allowing him to stay in the fight and maybe get some good licks in but I just don't see him putting down Luke before Luke puts him down.

Originally posted by Tazer
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and Id like to remind U that size does *not* = autowin

sure I'll grant that Pete prolly isnt as physically strong, but that doesnt mean hes a weakling by any means, nor is he stupid he stupid enuff to try to fight Luke in ways that would clearly give *him* the advantage (like a straight-up fist-fight would.)

Tazer

Prolly isent? I get you like spiderman, but now your just reaching. There is no way Luke is not stronger then peter. There is a massive difference in size. I dont think you get how much larger Luke is then Peter. He is around 100 pounds heavier. That is a massive advantage.

Please explain to me how else Peter is supose to fight Luke. Honestly you seems to be reaching badly.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

No size isn't everything, there are big guys who have glass jaws, but Luke isn't one of those guys.

so true, luke aint some un tested big guy. He a large Mother ****er who been tested in battle numerous times.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I do see Pete's agility allowing him to stay in the fight and maybe get some good licks in but I just don't see him putting down Luke before Luke puts him down.

without having the whole thread so i dont know if it was covered but
peter parker would win because his webs are not power based neither
was the original design of his tracers so even if he didnt tie/up suffocate
cage he could keep trying cage would have zero rest being stalked by
parker who is relentless

Originally posted by praying-mantis
without having the whole thread so i dont know if it was covered but
peter parker would win because his webs are not power based neither
was the original design of his tracers so even if he didnt tie/up suffocate
cage he could keep trying cage would have zero rest being stalked by
parker who is relentless

He does not have his web shooters. It supposed to be straight up h2h fight.

eww hope peter has a 2nd pair of glasses

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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It does when you equally as skilled.

Prolly isent? I get you like spiderman, but now your just reaching. There is no way Luke is not stronger then peter. There is a massive difference in size. I dont think you get how much larger Luke is then Peter. He is around 100 pounds heavier. That is a massive advantage.

Please explain to me how else Peter is supose to fight Luke. Honestly you seems to be reaching badly.

I say "prolly isnt" due to the fact that I have NO PROOF WATSOEVER that non-powered Luke is stronger than un-powered Pete; and statements along those lines is *pure speculation*. note that I do think he likely is, but Ive got nothing to say this is so either way.

and Pete *could* lead Cage on a chase to some area that he has rigged as a trap since they DO GET PREP (not much granted but its there), and Pete (powers or not) is much smarter than him & quite capable of pulling off a win that way.

Tazer

peter porker

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Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

I say "prolly isnt" due to the fact that I have NO PROOF WATSOEVER that non-powered Luke is stronger than un-powered Pete; and statements along those lines is *pure speculation*. note that I do think he likely is, but Ive got nothing to say this is so either way.

and Pete *could* lead Cage on a chase to some area that he has rigged as a trap since they DO GET PREP (not much granted but its there), and Pete (powers or not) is much smarter than him & quite capable of pulling off a win that way.

Tazer

So now Peter has rigged an area prior to the fight 😆. Now your just plain being bias and reach to absurd level. he does not get prep time before the fight nor is there an items he could use to make a trapp. Your reaching plain and simple. Fact you dont realise it shows perhaps you can't look at this fight subjectively.

Id say they're about equel in strength when powered. Luke is def stronger when depowered though, yeah.

Originally posted by SamZED
Id say they're about equel in strength when powered. Luke is def stronger when depowered though, yeah.

pete abuses his superior agility and speed to tire cage down and land small quick hits. pete wins.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It does when you equally as skilled.

Prolly isent? I get you like spiderman, but now your just reaching. There is no way Luke is not stronger then peter. There is a massive difference in size. I dont think you get how much larger Luke is then Peter. He is around 100 pounds heavier. That is a massive advantage.

Please explain to me how else Peter is supose to fight Luke. Honestly you seems to be reaching badly.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
pete abuses his superior agility and speed to tire cage down and land small quick hits. pete wins.

What makes you think Pete won't tire himself out by jumping around while Cage stays still and rope a dopes?

I get that some people really want Spider-Man to win, but lets not kid ourselves. He's at a big disadvantage in this fight.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
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I do see Pete's agility allowing him to stay in the fight and maybe get some good licks in but I just don't see him putting down Luke before Luke puts him down.

He has agility without his powers?