Magneto vs. Kilowog

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Unfortunately for Kilowog is fighting Mag's in his prime. In his prime he has manipulated the Electromagnetic Spectrum and anything to do with it. I'm sure there is a magneto fan out there that can list the ways he manipulated light (create dense light, bend lasers, turn freaking invisible, etc). As you can see as a lantern a weilder of light constructs they would be wtf owned.

Add that with his impressive displays of magnetism (i really don't think pulling a small ring from kilo's finger is going to be as had as lifting land masses or creating complicated machinery with his powers of magnetism.

Also it really doesn't have to be solely metal for magneto to bend it to his will it just takes more concentration. Anyway Magneto in his prime should beat Kilowog. If it was current or just average magneto then yeah good herald level GL should beat magneto.

They don't wield "light". In addition, they can control the EM spectrum as well. In addition to gravity, transmutation, atomic control, etc.

It doesn't just create constructs, just as much as Magneto doesn't just attract/repel metal.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
They don't wield "light". In addition, they can control the EM spectrum as well. In addition to gravity, transmutation, atomic control, etc.

It doesn't just create constructs, just as much as Magneto doesn't just attract/repel metal.

Yeah i know but it makes alot of kilo's arsenal useless, i mean GL usually build constructs or shoot beams (while fighting, usually). They def have a large array of other abilities but it's just not used as much.

Originally posted by Digi
I'm not sure why the auto-shields from light years away feat didn't end the magnetizing argument on page 1. Anyone?

As a point of clarification, pre-crisis feats are not non-canon across the board. It's very character-specific, as many were actually unaffected by the crisis and their feats remain valid. I had to do some digging on this one time for a tourney, and found DC's comments to this affect on various characters. The Corps in particular was not affected, so PC feats are valid. I'm not sure if that extends to the few Lanterns who were present for the crisis though, but I don't believe 'wog was among them.

At one point I was going to have an entry in the "Mythbuster" thread about this, but never got around to formalizing my research. And now it's years old and scattered so it'll likely never happen.

Ok, i'll buy that for a dollar, but this is Kilowog and not Hal, and also generally posters state Pre-Crisis feats in opening posts (which i didnt) because PC generally refers to the period when said characters performed feats they rarely if not have ever performed since. I mean honestly why would anyone use that era, mostly every hero/villian was a bonafide god. Pre-Crisis GL feats though canon are not the average ANYWAY and as such should be treated as high showings. Be that as it may i wont derail this thread on triviality............

Originally posted by Sin I AM
yea but thats pre-crisis stuff........which shouldnt be used

Pre crisis GL stuff is valid. As long as it doesn't get too ridiculous.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok, i'll buy that for a dollar, but this is Kilowog and not Hal, and also generally posters state Pre-Crisis feats in opening posts (which i didnt) because PC generally refers to the period when said characters performed feats they rarely if not have ever performed since. I mean honestly why would anyone use that era, mostly every hero/villian was a bonafide god. Pre-Crisis GL feats though canon are not the average ANYWAY and as such should be treated as high showings. Be that as it may i wont derail this thread on triviality............

Kilowog has post crisis feats of transmutation to boot. He'd one of the top gl's, and could easily be argued to be on the level of the big four.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pre crisis GL stuff is valid. As long as it doesn't get too ridiculous.

Kilowog has post crisis feats of transmutation to boot. He'd one of the top gl's, and could easily be argued to be on the level of the big four.

I never said it wasn't valid I know its canon....

your point? im trying to see where exactly your going with this, doesnt the GL commonly resort to brute force

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I never said it wasn't valid I know its canon....

your point? im trying to see where exactly your going with this, doesnt the GL commonly resort to brute force

but you don't think it should be used?

for their initial attack yes, but my point is that they can (and in kilowog's case, will most likely) change it up if brute force doesn't work. heck, kilowog himself is a genius, and on his home planet was a genetic scientist. he's not going to keep trying to wear magneto out with standard constructs.

Originally posted by -Pr-
but you don't think it should be used?

for their initial attack yes, but my point is that they can (and in kilowog's case, will most likely) change it up if brute force doesn't work. heck, kilowog himself is a genius, and on his home planet was a genetic scientist. he's not going to keep trying to wear magneto out with standard constructs.

I think that rare high end and low end feats shouldnt be used...Take this for example, Thor right, every thread in regards he's in someone mentions the Godblast but how often does he use it? Even when getiing pawned (Rulk comes to mind). So why even argue it? Because posters like to create wins but its not practical, especially when fighting in character. Because in character he will not raise mjolnir and absorb a cosmic blast from norrin, in character he will attempt to tank it and use it as a club. same principle applies to the lantern

magneto is not a genius?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think that rare high end and low end feats shouldnt be used...Take this for example, Thor right, every thread in regards he's in someone mentions the Godblast but how often does he use it? Even when getiing pawned (Rulk comes to mind). So why even argue it? Because posters like to create wins but its not practical, especially when fighting in character. Because in character he will not raise mjolnir and absorb a cosmic blast from norrin, in character he will attempt to tank it and use it as a club. same principle applies to the lantern

magneto is not a genius?

and that's fine. the truth is just that lanterns do have pre crisis feats that aren't so ridiculous, so it evens out in the end. at least imo.

i thought we were talking about Kilowog? 😛 But yes, Magneto is pretty intelligent too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
and that's fine. the truth is just that lanterns do have pre crisis feats that aren't so ridiculous, so it evens out in the end. at least imo.

i thought we were talking about Kilowog? 😛 But yes, Magneto is pretty intelligent too.

lol sorry you caught me monloguing 🙄 , so be that as it may how is kilowog going to transmute thru Eriks shield

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol sorry you caught me monloguing 🙄 , so be that as it may how is kilowog going to transmute thru Eriks shield

I honestly don't know if he can. I don't know if he can't either. But he can transmute around him, which is something I guess.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't know if he can. I don't know if he can't either. But he can transmute around him, which is something I guess.

From now on my default GL answer is they absorb them into the ring - like they did to Dr. Light who was/is stupid powerful before he became a joke and after they lifted his mental stump.

Then they are god.

😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
From now on my default GL answer is they absorb them into the ring - like they did to Dr. Light who was/is stupid powerful before he became a joke and after they lifted his mental stump.

Then they are god.

😛

That works.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok, i'll buy that for a dollar, but this is Kilowog and not Hal, and also generally posters state Pre-Crisis feats in opening posts (which i didnt) because PC generally refers to the period when said characters performed feats they rarely if not have ever performed since. I mean honestly why would anyone use that era, mostly every hero/villian was a bonafide god. Pre-Crisis GL feats though canon are not the average ANYWAY and as such should be treated as high showings. Be that as it may i wont derail this thread on triviality............

Agreed almost in full. I was simply stating that the feats aren't non-canon for the Corps. Use them or ignore them how you will in debates. I never really got into the "average feats vs. best feats" debate, so really don't care. 90% of the posting I do in the vs. forum anymore is either clarification or information...I never really concern myself with outcomes.

Though as long as we're attemtping to stay on topic, I still haven't seen an answer to my initial question of how Mags wins with the auto-shields-from-a-distance feat for the rings. Because that seemed to be the biggest avenue of Magneto supporters, and I doubt anyone will argue his superiorty here if it just devoles into a raw power struggle.

Originally posted by Digi
Agreed almost in full. I was simply stating that the feats aren't non-canon for the Corps. Use them or ignore them how you will in debates. I never really got into the "average feats vs. best feats" debate, so really don't care. 90% of the posting I do in the vs. forum anymore is either clarification or information...I never really concern myself with outcomes.

Though as long as we're attemtping to stay on topic, I still haven't seen an answer to my initial question of how Mags wins with the auto-shields-from-a-distance feat for the rings. Because that seemed to be the biggest avenue of Magneto supporters, and I doubt anyone will argue his superiorty here if it just devoles into a raw power struggle.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Magneto can exert energy within the shield, thereby effecting the user...ie removing iron from their blood

And that could not happen vice versa?

Originally posted by Digi
Agreed almost in full. I was simply stating that the feats aren't non-canon for the Corps. Use them or ignore them how you will in debates. I never really got into the "average feats vs. best feats" debate, so really don't care. 90% of the posting I do in the vs. forum anymore is either clarification or information...I never really concern myself with outcomes.

Though as long as we're attempting to stay on topic, I still haven't seen an answer to my initial question of how Mags wins with the auto-shields-from-a-distance feat for the rings. Because that seemed to be the biggest avenue of Magneto supporters, and I doubt anyone will argue his superiorty here if it just devoles into a raw power struggle.

Agreed

I dont believe thats a viable option as its highly unlikely that Magneto can affect Kilos ring. I think it more probable that he will shield himself and attempt more exotic attacks, im just not sure how that will clash with the ring bearers ablities. Im positive he can withstand any physical assault he brings, but im curios how an "iron in the blood" tactic will work, if at all. Im curious about if Magneto can manipulate the energies the ring produces i dont believe its totally within the emotional spectrum

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im curious about if Magneto can manipulate the energies the ring produces i dont believe its totally within the emotional spectrum

Well he did manage to manipulate energy from outside the eletcromagnetic spectrum while he was dying and that was against a reality warping mutant.

I wonder if Magneto can manipulate GL's energy?

probably can, but in a fight that would require him fight kilowog for control of his own energies. I would say neither one would hijack each others energies successfuly mid-battle