Depowered Tyrant runs the gauntlet...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Surfer was one shot TWICE... The only difference was he stayed down longer when Odin did it. However, both times against Tyrant..Surfer was put down for a period of time constituting a win against Tyrant. If you wanna use the "not trying" as hard argument LOM... Surfer SPECIFICALLY says.. he's going to use his full force on Tyrant and he would pay.. he NEVER expressed such feeling towards Odin. Thus, it could be argued based on on panel narration Surfer was trying against Tyrant and holding back against Odin.... See how that works LOM?

I fully agree that Surfer attacked Tyrant more fiercely than he did Odin; Surfer wanted to destroy Tyrant while I am pretty sure he didnt want to do the same to Odin...

But that has nothing to do with durability; Odin is a good guy...hes not a killer (unlike Tyrant)...so when he one shot Surfer I would bet money that he intended to hit Surfer only hard enough to KO him...and he accomplished that goal.

Tyrant on the other hand wasnt trying to kill Surfer either (he wanted to heralds alive to siphon power from them for his machine), but I would also bet money that he isnt as forgiving as Odin is and is less likely to hold back in combat as well...

Bottomline is its my belief that Tyrant fought the Heralds (Surfer specifically) and Thanos harder than Odin fought them; no doubt, Tyrant and Odin could have brought more firepower into the fray, but going by past showings, I firmly believe Odin could have brought a whole lot more firepower into the fray than he did...

We have always agreed to disagree about Tyrant though; you believe he is beyond a High Skyfather, while I would place him squarely in the Mid Skyfather bracket...

I honestly think we need more showing from Depowered Tyrant so we can more accurately gauge his level of power; I would pay top dollar to see a well written Depowered Tyant vs Odin fight...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I fully agree that Surfer attacked Tyrant more fiercely than he did Odin; Surfer wanted to destroy Tyrant while I am pretty sure he didnt want to do the same to Odin...

But that has nothing to do with durability; Odin is a good guy...hes not a killer (unlike Tyrant)...so when he one shot Surfer I would bet money that he intended to hit Surfer only hard enough to KO him...and he accomplished that goal.

Tyrant on the other hand wasnt trying to kill Surfer either (he wanted to heralds alive to siphon power from them for his machine), but I would also bet money that he isnt as forgiving as Odin is and is less likely to hold back in combat as well...

Bottomline is its my belief that Tyrant fought the Heralds (Surfer specifically) and Thanos harder than Odin fought them; no doubt, Tyrant and Odin could have brought more firepower into the fray, but going by past showings, I firmly believe Odin could have brought a whole lot more firepower into the fray than he did...

We have always agreed to disagree about Tyrant though; you believe he is beyond a High Skyfather, while I would place him squarely in the Mid Skyfather bracket...

I honestly think we need more showing from Depowered Tyrant so we can more accurately gauge his level of power; I would pay top dollar to see a well written Depowered Tyant vs Odin fight...

Pretty good post LOM and I do agree with some of what you say. I do think both Odin and Tyrant could've brought more to the table in both situations. However, let me bring up a few points... Odin was more pissed at Thanos and Surfer than Tyrant was at the heralds attacking him. As you stated.. he wasn't trying to kill them just stop an insurrection if you will. Odin was trying to stop what he perveived to be an invasion of his home.. and stop villians as he called them who were wrecking his people. Odin's words seemed to clearly indicate he was more pissed than Tyrant. A minor point, but it goes directly to your strance that Odin isn't a killer or wasn't pissed when in fact he was. For God's sake Odin's fought his own son before and threatened to kill him if he infected other asgardians... hardly what I would call a compassionate non killer as you describe him.

I agree though.. I would give my left nut... to see a DP Tyrant vs. Odin fight... that would be truly epic indeed.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It didnt go over my head the fact that you continually ignore what happen ON PANEL is mind boggling. Tyrant absorbed Galactus' energy blast and was empowered Galactus didnt do the same so the fact that they both could absorb BE is moot in regards to their encounter it really is that simple that fact seems to soar over your head eveytime unless you can show me on panel scans of Galactus being amped by Tyrant during their fight? Again Galactus is the ideal opponent for Tyrant due to synthetic BE and tech Odin on the otherhand would carve Tyrant up like a giant turkey with dreads

Ooo but my buddy Ice.. that is exactly what happened to Tyrant as well. Don't you remember the panel before the battle where Tyrant admitted on panel he became weaker because Galactus had just fed on a ripe planet. That happened before the battle and Tyrant admitted on panel it made him weaker. Thus, going by on panel events.. both were effected negatively by the other feeding on bio-sphere energy.

It happened during their battle? Nope which is my point nice try though

What difference does that make.. It weakened Tyrant BEFORE the battle which is even worse. So thus.. a weakened Tyrant beat a prepped and well-fed Galactus.. Okay if that is how you want it.. cool with me.. 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What difference does that make.. It weakened Tyrant BEFORE the battle which is even worse. So thus.. a weakened Tyrant beat a prepped and well-fed Galactus.. Okay if that is how you want it.. cool with me.. 👆

Why does only during the battle count? If you're weakened BEFORE the fight.. that matters MORE than during the battle. It matters more because one went into the battle stronger than another.. The weak foe.. manipulated the fight to HIS advantage by using something that was at both of their disposals. It's xavier beating mantis in a TP battle... Both can do it.. so it's not an advantage or difference in a fight. If you gain an advantage by fighting smart and outmanuvering your opponent then you won using skill and strategy. Both galactus and Tyrant feed on the same energy.. Tyrant just fought smarter than big g.

Besides, if you don't concede that point... all I would have to say.. is tyrant was weakened before the figth and g was prepped and fed. Galactus blasting Tyrant merely brought back tyrant to the level he should've been at before the fight. no matter how you look at it.. it wasn't a deciding factor in the fight. What was.. was Tyrant power and outmanuvering Galactus.

Kurupt that's actually a good point. I'd forgotten about that scene. But it still doesn't change the fact that Galactus was the ideal foe for DP Tyant.

We need to see him vs high end magic users before we can say how he'll fare vs Odin.

The thing with Odin is that this is a character with a 40+ year history of doing spectacular shxt : creating dimensions and populating them with sentient beings, busting galaxies, rocking the multiverse, threatening the universe with destruction in some of his battles, etc... We need to see more from DP Tyrant.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why does only during the battle count? If you're weakened BEFORE the fight.. that matters MORE than during the battle. It matters more because one went into the battle stronger than another.. The weak foe.. manipulated the fight to HIS advantage by using something that was at both of their disposals. It's xavier beating mantis in a TP battle... Both can do it.. so it's not an advantage or difference in a fight. If you gain an advantage by fighting smart and outmanuvering your opponent then you won using skill and strategy. Both galactus and Tyrant feed on the same energy.. Tyrant just fought smarter than big g.

Besides, if you don't concede that point... all I would have to say.. is tyrant was weakened before the figth and g was prepped and fed. Galactus blasting Tyrant merely brought back tyrant to the level he should've been at before the fight. no matter how you look at it.. it wasn't a deciding factor in the fight. What was.. was Tyrant power and outmanuvering Galactus.

The writing on Tyrant's fights with Thanos and Galactus was so bad that identifying his power level in relation to Odin seems arbitrary. People who say there is one clear way to read the use of the orb are fooling themselves -- the art and writing are totally inconsistent, and we can't say conclusively whether Thanos was amped or not. Likewise, the fight with Galactus was idiotic. I'm not saying that means we can ignore it, but it also doesn't help us figure out how powerful Tyrant is (aside from the obvious statement that he is very, very powerful). Since he appears so often in forum fights, I had hoped that the annihilators series would bring him back, and give us more info to situate him in the hierarchy. But no, they had to go with that effete dire-wraith.

DP Tyrant clears it.

Stops at 6, maybe 7, depending on the orb-question.