Originally posted by Placidity
Exactly.This is the problem I have with Nolan's Batman. As a movie by itself, it is brilliant. But for people who know about the comics and animated Batman, its just not the same character IMO.
Really? Please explain how. My perspective on it is batman does not have super powers in any of the media. But for the most part nolans is more grounded in reality. Do you mean batman needs things like a jet and other high tec equipment to fit in a JLA movie?
Originally posted by darthmaul1
Really? Please explain how. My perspective on it is batman does not have super powers in any of the media. But for the most part nolans is more grounded in reality. Do you mean batman needs things like a jet and other high tec equipment to fit in a JLA movie?
Batman in the comics and the cartoon exists in a much more fantastical world than Bale's. Everything from his villains to the kinds of things he can actually do are so much more heightened than what Nolan did. Batman's world is very dark and gritty, and quite real at times, but there's still that element of the supernatural a lot of times. Look at how many villains he has that are superhuman, for example.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Batman in the comics and the cartoon exists in a much more fantastical world than Bale's. Everything from his villains to the kinds of things he can actually do are so much more heightened than what Nolan did. Batman's world is very dark and gritty, and quite real at times, but there's still that element of the supernatural a lot of times. Look at how many villains he has that are superhuman, for example.
yep, thats what I meant.
One example is the way Batman fights. In many of the scenes he just appears very human, and his fighting style doesn't exactly look like he is one of the all time greatest martial artists.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bale's Batman isn't that smart either. He is James Bond in a Batman suit, and Morgan Freeman is Q.
True that ^. The only nod towards his detective brilliance was shown by him reconstituting information from the bullet in TDK, and that doesn't even come close to depicting comic/animated Batman's intellect.
I actually think of him as a more skilled version of "Big Daddy" from Kickass.
He does have his Batman-like moments though, like gliding with his cape when he went to capture Lau from Hong Kong. And also in Batman Begins the way he swings into the train with his grappling hook was badass. His League of Shadows training origins was also pretty cool in BB.
Another problem is that the animated Bruce Wayne is impossibly suave and charismatic, and Bale just doesn't cut it in that department. I guess it has a lot to do with Kevin Conroy's awesome voice acting.
Originally posted by Placidity
True that ^. The only nod towards his detective brilliance was shown by him reconstituting information from the bullet in TDK, and that doesn't even come close to depicting comic/animated Batman's intellect.I actually think of him as a more skilled version of "Big Daddy" from Kickass.
He does have his Batman-like moments though, like gliding with his cape when he went to capture Lau from Hong Kong. And also in Batman Begins the way he swings into the train with his grappling hook was badass. His League of Shadows training origins was also pretty cool in BB.
Another problem is that the animated Bruce Wayne is impossibly suave and charismatic, and Bale just doesn't cut it in that department. I guess it has a lot to do with Kevin Conroy's awesome voice acting.
What about him revamping the sonar thing in TDK.
Any hoo, i think if done right Bale could fit into a JLA movie. Christ even if they were to do it with the cast of Smallville it would be good.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Bale as an actor doesn't have enough charisma to keep the spotlight in his own movie (arguably because of the script). BaleMan is going to be completely overshadowed by more "fantastical" superheroes in a JL movie, imo.
That depends on how they film it. If everyone has the same screen time or side quest it could work. Just make it like the cartoon and it should be ok.
Or if they did cast someone new for batman then get a complete unknown and use Kevin conroys voice.
Nolan's version of Batman is like the Ultimate Comics version of him, with more emphasis on grounded reality. The reason Batman is less armoured up in the comics is that it makes him look heroic on the page; they can't draw those rippling abs if he was. Even though that's what you would really expect him to wear. But they would have to take some of that approach for a live action film, because they have to show why Superman doesn't just do everything himself; why it's important to have diverse members who aren't as powerful to fill a role.
With Avengers coming first, they should see how they delegate roles to Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye and the rest in the plot. In the comics there is more suspension of belief; in live action people want to see real reasons why Superman needs Batman.
Originally posted by darthmaul1Except there's no Batman. But lets face it, we all know its just because everyone knows how quickly Bruce could over shadow Clark in character. But thats really what Green Arrow is on smallville. Just Batman substitute. Done get me wrong thou, I love Oliver n how he's portrayed on Smallville. Would be great to see a Star City spin off with him n Chloe, Black Canary, n cameos from the League. All taking place right as he's lost the bulk of Queen industries and grows a gotee.
You don't like smallville?
I think in that universe they hit the nail on the head with JLA.
I know its been said but I still love the idea! 😱
Originally posted by Entity
Except there's no Batman. But lets face it, we all know its just because everyone knows how quickly Bruce could over shadow Clark in character. But thats really what Green Arrow is on smallville. Just Batman substitute. Done get me wrong thou, I love Oliver n how he's portrayed on Smallville. Would be great to see a Star City spin off with him n Chloe, Black Canary, n cameos from the League. All taking place right as he's lost the bulk of Queen industries and grows a gotee.I know its been said but I still love the idea! 😱
Originally posted by -Pr-
They made a balls of Superman. Their JLA is all right, but it's still heavily lacking.
That's your opinion, IMO it is a good rendition of the character. i have a co-worker who is a hardcore superman fan who owns 99% of the comics and paid 10,000 dollars for the superman #2 comic, and he really likes the show.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
That's your opinion, IMO it is a good rendition of the character. i have a co-worker who is a hardcore superman fan who owns 99% of the comics and paid 10,000 dollars for the superman #2 comic, and he really likes the show.
Good for him.
IMO, it's still not, and a lot of Superman fans dislike it as much as I do.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
That's your opinion, IMO it is a good rendition of the character. i have a co-worker who is a hardcore superman fan who owns 99% of the comics and paid 10,000 dollars for the superman #2 comic, and he really likes the show.
i highly dis-like superman but i can really see what pr is saying.....smallville is a completely different universe then superman....even clarks powers work differently then in the comics....and that is the most minuet change between the two.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Good for him.IMO, it's still not, and a lot of Superman fans dislike it as much as I do.
I liked the show, but it's not really Superman. It was in their mandate from the beginning, there were things their Clark Kent would never do. It's pretty much a live action Elseworlds.