Weakest in marvel who can beat flash

Originally posted by Uriel005
my point is that wally can basically say what moves.... now doesn't. I haven't seen anything resist a speed steal if anyone can post a scan of something stopping a speed steal I'd say sure it wouldn't take much more than a mid-tier to low-trans depending on the flash to take him out. Also the whole thing of you can't catch what you can't hit becomes an issue because it's been stated that breaking the speed force barrier is breaking the absolute limit of speed. Combined with the fact that the Infinite Mass Punch hits with the force of a star makes it a dangerous combination. Also Flash Wally can time travel as long as he is FTL w/out the use of the Cosmic Treadmill. He sees an attack coming he backtracks in time and runs to where it's not.

Cool story, Bro. Maybe those speedsters ought to do that more often instead of getting beat, eh? The comics don't portray any of the speedsters as being so immensely powerful in comparison to the other Justice league heavyweights -- the flashes are comparable to folks like Superman, Diana, the green lanterns, etc. -- NOT whole tiers above them. And saying that because a speed steal has never been seen to fail it can affect anyone uses the same logic that says that character X can deal with any fast character, because they've been seen to deal with a character with superspeed before. You are also arguing in favor of powerset instead of actual combat feats -- a tactic which leads to other interesting conclusions like: green lantern rings can do anything; Surfer can just disintegrate other herald-levellers; Apocalypse can turn himself into an adamantium giant, etc.

Originally posted by Digi
lol, great reference.

if I profiled comments, that would have been one

My point is a CIS-less flash could and would do these things. It is by no means standard but he does have the potential to do so. On forum going by the best of his potential against god-level characters he isn't going to hold back if he realizes his normal rapid fire punches that he would use on street levelers isn't working.

Serious answer? The Aquarian.

After the Cosmic Cube experiment, the Aquarian's former energy-dampening ability was transformed into something different and more powerful. The Aquarian's body is now surrounded by a field of entropy ("null-force"😉, which, at equilibrium, radiates to a distance of five feet from any point on his body. With concentration, the Aquarian can contact the null-field to about five inches in thickness, or expand it to a maximum distance of approximately 500 feet. He can never shut the field down completely. The null-field neutralizes most energies within the electromagnetic spectrum over a certain as yet unmeasured intensity. This includes light, electricity, magnetism, high-frequency energies, sound, and even gravity.

The Aquarian's entropic field also neutralizes kinetic energy. His body's null-field is of opposite polarity to that of the fields of normal atomic matter. Hence his field nullifies kinetic energy in direct ratio to the inertia (resistance of object in motion to changes of motion) of the moving object. Only objects with kinetic energy below a certain as yet unmeasured value are permitted trough his field without any cancellation of inertia. The net effect of any object of greater inertia entering his null-field is that it loses its kinetic energy. Hence, a speeding bullet, a thrown knife, or a hurled punch is unable to strike him. Because this kinetic energy-canceling property affects him as well as other objects in his field, the Aquarian cannot move faster than his null-field will allow. Therefore, his ability to leap is useless. However, since he can negate gravity's influence on him, he can walk on air.

quick and dirty, from marvel.com. Flash's powers are useless on him, and even thrown punches are too fast for the field to allow. It would boil down to who can (sloowwwwwly) choke out who first, and Aquarian's body is still innately superhumanly strong/dense. Flash loses.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Serious answer? [b]The Aquarian.

quick and dirty, from marvel.com. Flash's powers are useless on him, and even thrown punches are too fast for the field to allow. It would boil down to who can (sloowwwwwly) choke out who first, and Aquarian's body is still innately superhumanly strong/dense. Flash loses. [/B]

Originally posted by Uriel005
that would do it.

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you know, I was actually expecting some fight on this one. It's almost disappointing to have someone agree with me this fast.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
😆 😆 😆

you know, I was actually expecting some fight on this one. It's almost disappointing to have someone agree with me this fast.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Hey man I'm not about to argue when someone is right and something is a direct hard counter in a scenario like this. Like I've said before, thinking about exactly what Flash could do with the speedforce if he really wanted to makes me think he is completely broken.

Oh sure, I agree completely.

Properly written flash shouldn't really lose to anyone under god or herald level. Aquarian just happens to be a really unusual case of powers that are nigh useless against everyone else being perfect to take him out.

I hate Aquarian. ****ing Blair or someone else grabbed him during a tournament. 😛

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I hate Aquarian. ****ing Blair or someone else grabbed him during a tournament. 😛

That powerset IS kind of bizarre, but it has me thinking of a few creative ways to put it to use.

Aquarian could use his power on even someone stronger than himself (say, US agent, who's class 10) null out gravity, levitate them both about a mile up and then contract his field and let this opponent plummet to his death.

pretty nasty.

Still, his powers seem designed to stalemate, rather than KO or kill. outside of a trap for speedsters I can't see why you'd even want to use him in a tournament.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
That powerset IS kind of bizarre, but it has me thinking of a few creative ways to put it to use.

Aquarian could use his power on even someone stronger than himself (say, US agent, who's class 10) null out gravity, levitate them both about a mile up and then contract his field and let this opponent plummet to his death.

pretty nasty.