Originally posted by Lord Feron
Runner is somewhere before he even thinks it. And consider how fast he is normally that is pretty effin fast. If Runner wanted his fist in both their faces at the same time he could do it.
The fastest person the runner has blitz would be the Surfer at top speed who is no where near the fastest speeds that the Flash can achieve.
Zoom can hit as hard as superman and is faster then Wally. You really don't need to add another speedster to this. This was already a stomp.
Originally posted by D-Block
Runner is alot more durable than both these two. Superman level hits won't bother him like they would flash or Zoom. Meaning he can take Superman level hits.
Really?
cause I seem to remember him saying his durability is derived from his deal with Death just like all the other Elders of the universe.
They can get KOed if anything just not killed.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Space gem in concept = speed force IMO. Pretty much the only thing I can think of that would stop a speed steal. But then again like I said it's about = to speed force and they would chase eachother forever.
i could agree with this
Originally posted by Prep-Man
good thing the sf is its own seperate dimension.
how would this affect someone that has the speed force totally absorbed into himself?
Originally posted by SasuOna
Are you talking about Surfer's speed in comparison to the Flash?
Yes.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Really?
cause I seem to remember him saying his durability is derived from his deal with Death just like all the other Elders of the universe.
Id like to see scans that sounds like bs. Lots of Elders have shown great power before the deal.
LOL I just looked at the scans again Runner speedblitzed the Surfer. haermm
Originally posted by Inhuman
Here is his fight against Silver Surfer.
Runner defeats surfer almost effortlessly. Seems he was toying with him.http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer1.jpg
Runner easily dodges pc blasts.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer2.jpg
Surfer gets pissed off...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer3.jpg
Runner slows down and confronts surfer hand to hand in a test of power. haermm
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer4.jpg
Surfer realizes that runner is much more powerful than he is. He is brought down to his knees and is defeated. Runner didnt look to be going all out at all.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer5.jpg
ps. - This battle was without the space gem.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Really?
cause I seem to remember him saying his durability is derived from his deal with Death just like all the other Elders of the universe.They can get KOed if anything just not killed.
So Runners durability is the same or around Flash level? Just asking because I know a lil about him but I'll admit not much.
Surfer is not faster then the Flash but I'd like to hear your reasoning behind making an outlandish claim like this anyway.
In regards to the elders
I'm not arguing about their power
someone was saying that they can survive getting punched by superman which is BS as we've seen some of the elders get ripped apart by things less powerful then Supes like that dinosaur captain eating one of the elders.
The only reason they live through things like that is because of their deal with death.
Now if you show me some durability feats comparable to someone of Supes status hitting them and them living before the deal with death in Avengers then I'll concede this point.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Surfer is not faster then the Flash but I'd like to hear your reasoning anyway.
He might be but I think hes travelled half a million light years in seconds...I think thats alot faster than lightspeed.
Originally posted by SasuOna
In regards to the elders
I'm not arguing about their powersomeone was saying that they can survive getting punched by superman which is BS as we've seen some of the elders get ripped apart by things less powerful then Supes like that dinosaur captain eating one of the elders.
I think that was supposed to be The Contemplator and far as I know that was a Skrull imposter.
Originally posted by SasuOnaThe only reason they live through things like that is because of their deal with death.
Now if you show me some durability feats comparable to someone of Supes status hitting them and them living before the deal with death in Avengers then I'll concede this point.
You do realise that you haven't actually proven your statement...anyway here you go.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I’ll get things going with the jobber of the Elders, the Champion. Now I’ll admit that Champion’s good showings are few and far between, but he does have a couple of decent feats to his credit…Easily counters an attack from Mantis(one of the most skilled h2h combatants in the universe) and then actually manages to capture her in something resembling a Full Nelson…
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/832/countersmantisya0.jpgResist being overpowered by Thor, Hulk, Sasquatch, Wonderman, Namor, Colossus, and Thing…
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4770/vsheroesig6.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4811/vsheroes2lo5.jpgStanding over a defeated army…
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3417/armygy4.jpgDemonstrates superior speed/strength/skill to Thor, then banishes Thor’s hammer to another dimension with a thought…
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9382/marveltwoinoneannual072qi9.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9648/marveltwoinoneannual072ky3.jpgBanishes Hulk and throws Sasquatch a beating…
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3056/marveltwoinoneannual072ai1.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5936/marveltwoinoneannual072iy7.jpgTakes down Colossus with ease…
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6186/colossusqs8.jpgChampions fight with Thing. There’s a little PIS involved(unless you really believe that Thing is more durable than Sasquatch or Colossus) but it’s still a cool fight to see. It’s also worth noting that in the first scan Thing says that the Champion hits harder than anyone else Thing has ever fought(and specifically mentions Hulk and Surfer)…
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1788/marveltwoinoneannual073bx0.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9039/marveltwoinoneannual073ck7.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3210/marveltwoinoneannual073bp2.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6740/marveltwoinoneannual073qv5.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3803/marveltwoinoneannual073kt1.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5804/marveltwoinoneannual073co1.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7141/marveltwoinoneannual073gw1.jpgAnd Champion’s first fight with Surfer. Champion loses of course, but he does about as good against Surfer as can be expected of a brick…
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6847/silversurfer198700110sf5.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3640/silversurfer198700111dx0.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3554/silversurfer198700112mp1.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9229/silversurfer198700113dd4.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9853/silversurfer198700114bh8.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9228/silversurfer198700115jp9.jpg
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which Elders were ripped apart but someone less that superman?
A skrull imposter.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Surfer is not faster then the Flash but I'd like to hear your reasoning behind making an outlandish claim like this anyway.In regards to the elders
I'm not arguing about their powersomeone was saying that they can survive getting punched by superman which is BS as we've seen some of the elders get ripped apart by things less powerful then Supes like that dinosaur captain eating one of the elders.
The only reason they live through things like that is because of their deal with death.
Now if you show me some durability feats comparable to someone of Supes status hitting them and them living before the deal with death in Avengers then I'll concede this point.
I didn't say all as I don't know much about the other ones I was speaking about the Runner.
Originally posted by SasuOna
The fastest person the runner has blitz would be the Surfer at top speed who is no where near the fastest speeds that the Flash can achieve.Zoom can hit as hard as superman and is faster then Wally. You really don't need to add another speedster to this. This was already a stomp.
Surfer, and wallys average speed feats are comparable. Even some of the super highend ones, I would give the nod to Flash mainly because that's his thing and PIS sometimes needs to show that his speed is insane.
Zoom will have to hit as hard as superman to affect the Runner. So yeah not sure what that deal is. Im sure weaker people can somehow harm runner but a "superman level punch" is not an auto win.
Runner being where he wants to be anytime before he even thinks it is IMO too much of a challenge for flash (zoom should be in that league due to his unique time manip powers)
Say if they can keep up with the runner, what will they do when they get close to him. Do you know what happens to people when they get close enough to touch the runner?
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Surfer, and wallys average speed feats are comparable. Even some of the super highend ones, I would give the nod to Flash mainly because that's his thing and PIS sometimes needs to show that his speed is insane.Zoom will have to hit as hard as superman to affect the Runner. So yeah not sure what that deal is. Im sure weaker people can somehow harm runner but a "superman level punch" is not an auto win.
Runner being where he wants to be anytime before he even thinks it is IMO too much of a challenge for flash (zoom should be in that league due to his unique time manip powers)
Say if they can keep up with the runner, what will they do when they get close to him. Do you know what happens to people when they get close enough to touch the runner?
Yea not only do they have to deal with his speed but his powers as well. Team lose.
I mean dammit man Runner blitzed The Surfer. facepalm
That wasn't a skrull imposter you must be confusing the contemplator with Supremor.
Anyway most of what your showing has nothing to do with their durability being on par with Supes level of strength and Surfer fighting the Champion was after their deal with death.
So yeah I'm still waiting for those durability feats.
Surfer is nowhere near as fast as the Flash his average showings of speed would put him on par someone like Nova but his high end showings don't even come close to Zoom let alone Wally's high end showings.
The Runner's power is being faster then anyone who gets close to him but that still didn't help him in a race since he lost to Makarri now did it.
