Wonder Woman vs Avengers

Originally posted by Konton
Has she even been able to amp herself back into Binary via energy dump in recent years? IIRC she was completely cut off from the "white hole" or whatever.

Also Binary had a lot of mixed showings anyway. Although it should be taken into consideration that she was drained from powering an entire starship, Gladiator did knock her away in one blow with ease and she wasn't seen for a few panels.

Yes, she can amp to Binary almost instantaneously depending on the energy. She did it recently (a year or 2 ago) from fight the Collective.

As for your comment on her being knocked out. Wonder Woman isn't Gladiator. Glads has also one shotted Black Bolt, a Phoenix, some Nova members, and I can't see Wondy pulling that off either.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, she can amp to Binary almost instantaneously depending on the energy. She did it recently (a year or 2 ago) from fight the Collective.

i think Carol and Wonder man win this.

Originally posted by Existere
When Diana wraps someone, they lose all capacity to act offensively (for most cases, anyways). Diana can still physically hurt the foe, and remove all their weapons and such. In the case of a forcefield, neither party could affect the other, which would make me think of it as a stalemate.

It doesn't make sense to me that Tony should win because he's put a wall between Diana and him, but maybe I'm visualizing this wrong.

I mean, should Magneto win every time he simply puts one of his nigh-unbreakable shields around a foe?

To incapacitate is to prevent from functioning. Killing, KO'ing, Diana's lasso and solidifying Wolverine in concrete would all incapacitate.

Putting somebody in a forcefield where they can still move and affect but simply can't affect you, the forcefield-maker wouldn't be incapacitating.

By that logic, if Tony didn't put Diana in a forcefield but instead put a forcefield around his team, preventing Diana from affecting the Avengers, he'd be 'incapacitating' Diana as he'd be preventing her attacks from functioning in such a way as to hurt them.

If Magneto created a large hollow adamantium sphere and put Wolverine inside of it, he wouldn't have beat Wolverine. If he then crushed the ball or tossed it into orbit, he would beat Wolverine. It's a small step, but an important one and in a case like this where Diana can't be crushed or BFR'd with the forcefield, it's a difference worth noting.

Originally posted by Existere
To incapacitate is to prevent from functioning. Killing, KO'ing, Diana's lasso and solidifying Wolverine in concrete would all incapacitate.

Putting somebody in a forcefield where they can still move and affect but simply can't affect you, the forcefield-maker wouldn't be incapacitating.

By that logic, if Tony didn't put Diana in a forcefield but instead put a forcefield around his team, preventing Diana from affecting the Avengers, he'd be 'incapacitating' Diana as he'd be preventing her attacks from functioning in such a way as to hurt them.

If Magneto created a large hollow adamantium sphere and put Wolverine inside of it, he wouldn't have beat Wolverine. If he then crushed the ball or tossed it into orbit, he would beat Wolverine. It's a small step, but an important one and in a case like this where Diana can't be crushed or BFR'd with the forcefield, it's a difference worth noting.

Doesn't Diana have Zeus's lightning at her command? Pre JMS, Wondy.

Originally posted by Existere
To incapacitate is to prevent from functioning. Killing, KO'ing, Diana's lasso and solidifying Wolverine in concrete would all incapacitate.

Putting somebody in a forcefield where they can still move and affect but simply can't affect you, the forcefield-maker wouldn't be incapacitating.

By that logic, if Tony didn't put Diana in a forcefield but instead put a forcefield around his team, preventing Diana from affecting the Avengers, he'd be 'incapacitating' Diana as he'd be preventing her attacks from functioning in such a way as to hurt them.

If Magneto created a large hollow adamantium sphere and put Wolverine inside of it, he wouldn't have beat Wolverine. If he then crushed the ball or tossed it into orbit, he would beat Wolverine. It's a small step, but an important one and in a case like this where Diana can't be crushed or BFR'd with the forcefield, it's a difference worth noting.

Originally posted by 753
would wolverine be out of combat? then he is defeated. besides, it really becomes a matter of how big the containment is.

Did Tony just incapacitate Wonderman, Ms Marvel and Ares by putting a force field around Diana?

How strong are Tony's forcefields?

Originally posted by Existere
Tony puts a forcefield around Wonder Woman. If we consider one of them out of combat and therefore to have lost, we must consider both of them out of combat.

Did Tony just incapacitate Wonderman, Ms Marvel and Ares by putting a force field around Diana?

I don't even know why this is being discussed when it's not even likely that Tony's forcefiled would contain her permanently.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
How strong are Tony's forcefields?

Originally posted by marwash22
but he's not fighting Tony, Carol, Simon and Ares.

I don't even know why this is being discussed when it's not even likely that Tony's forcefiled would contain her permanently.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Doesn't Diana have Zeus's lightning at her command? Pre JMS, Wondy.

Yep. Deific bug zappers.

Plus there's just muscling her way out, I don't see the force field stopping that either.

Originally posted by Existere
No, it's not likely. I just wanted to address the notion that putting somebody in a forcefield is beating them. Maybe if it was a body-tight type (I'm thinking like Syndrome from the Incredibles), but I was under the impression that Tony's forcefields were more like Magnetos, at which point it doesn't make sense to me to call it a win if the opponents still running around, fully functional, you've just reduced the space they can operate in.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm pretty sure IM can determine the size/shape of his forcefields, and I know Mags can.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
How strong are Tony's forcefields?

Strong enough to hold Void for a long amount of time until Sentry dipped him into the sun. If it can hold Void, Diana isn't going anywhere.

Originally posted by Existere
They can, and if they're prone to creating body-tight forcefields that completely inhibit action or movement, that's a separate discussion. I just don't think of a bubble that doesn't actually incapacitate either party on either side of it but simply acts as a barrier between the two as 'winning' the battle.

Originally posted by carver9
Everyone is grounded.

Wonder woman doesn't have her lasso for this fight.

Team Avengers.

Ironman
Wonderman
Ares (with battle ax)
Ms. Marvel

Who wins?

team wins easy.. U grounded her and took her lasso..
Tony has a ton if tricks he can use against herald levels..

Originally posted by Mindset
They're not prone to trapping someone in a forcefield at all, I can only think of a couple times between the two. I thought the discussion was could they, not, would they.

And if it's not a regular tactic, it's probably not something worth discussing any further in the thread anyways. Fair point.

Yup.

Ms. Marvel via forcefield. ermmhappy