Originally posted by Q99
That's one of the thing I love about TO Morrow. Yes, he's mad and all that, but really the science comes first, and he and Magnus pal around despite being on opposite sides because Magnus gives him props for that.Btw, other stuff TO Morrow did: Create a machine that'd allow him to view the future, did the science-half of the creation and animation of Genocide (the Wonder Woman foe), and had a 'space creation' device which he used to drop Black Adam in 52.
Do you have the Black Adam scan?
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatchhe wasn't quite macguyver level. Now there is a mans man. He could do it with belly button lint, some gum, a paper clip and swiss army knife and he would still top Every incarnation of Lex, Alexander Luthor, Ray Palmer, Dr. Doom, Reed Richards, Valeria Richards, Ivo, Forge, and Braniac put together.
Pre Crisis Luthor was a f.ucking beast and could go toe to toe with Dr Doom with nothing but orange juice and an old radio. Red Son Luthor was boss too.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Do you have the Black Adam scan?
I do not.
It was when a whole bunch of super scientists were dogpiling BA with their devices (a vision-focused guy blinded him, etc.), and his provided the coup de grace.
Originally posted by george '06
Isn't Mr. terrific continually called the earths 3rd smartest man?
are Batman & Luthor the 2 above him?
He calls himself that. Who's above him has never been said.
It does speak in his favor that he calls himself that and no-one objects or thinks he's exaggerating 🙂
Originally posted by DesaadYou know what? I'm going to disagree. I believe you are lowballing Booster Gold. Not to mention Rip Hunter.
Being 'not as bad as people think' basically means he's not a complete and total idiot. He not only doesn't make the list of smartest guys in the DCU, he doesn't even make the list of slightly above average guys in the DCU. He's, at best, a good guy who tries hard and means well and is reasonably competent after years and years of experience.It's not that no one understands time like Rip Hunter. Rip Hunter as appointed himself as the Master of Time, but T.O. Morrow has made universe wide changes with his mastery of time, the Lord of Time has gained near omnipotence, even the Linear Men had evolved past the need for physical forms and were seeing time from a higher, greater perspective than Rip ever was.
Rip is a guy with a good working knowledge of time travel. He's not dominant. Per Degaton is essentially his match, and he didn't appear to be anything approaching dominant in his "Time Masters" mini some years back.
You can't compare that to someone like Morrow, or Palmer, or the Chief, who build Time Machines in their spare time. Again, even KILOWOG has built a time machine in the DCU.
You're confusing T.O. Morrow and Ivo. Morrow created Red Tornado and Tomorrow Woman's brain, Ivo created Amazo.
And their 'turning' is not a deficiency, but a testament to the incredible nature of his creations. They were beings who gained real, free will. Tomorrow was PROUD that he was able to create a life, a soul, so real; so genuine. As well he should be.
The efficacy of his plotting and planning has nothing to do with a Mad Scientist's pure scientific genius. We were explicitly told not to take that type of 'intelligence' into account here.
This is pseudo-philosophical nonsense, and doesn't apply to the topic at hand.
And didn't the Linear Men go rogue and get taken out by Rip? It's one thing to build a time machine, it's another to screw with time enough that it disrupts the timeline. There's such a thing as knowing when not to act as well.
I botched Ivo, ok. But Tomorrow Woman was a joint creation between Ivo and Morrow. What has Degaton done? Not criticizing, I'm genuinely asking. I don't actually know the character very well. 😮