Originally posted by carver9
How good is Wonder Woman H2H skills?Let's say if everyones stats was reduced to human levels and their mind adjusted to this change in stats... how far would she make it in this Gauntlet off of skill alone?
1. Spiderman
2. Cyclops
3. Gambit
4. Bishop
5. Black Panther
6. Daredevil
7. Captain America (Steve)
8. Wolverine
9. Batman
10. Gamora
Shame on your ordering.
At best, she makes it to 6, though, imo.
Originally posted by Philosophía
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Good God.
Originally posted by Philosophía
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Originally posted by Silent Master
WW can't turn off her reaction speed, durability, strength etc. at best she can hold back.....but that doesn't exactly prove she was operating on normal human levels.
All fighters involved were acting like there was parity, at the very least.
Originally posted by Philosophía
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Whoa, that works as a feat both for and against Wondy. Against in this particular HtH aspect, and punching her in the gut to make her breath knockout gas shouldn't work in two senses (it shouldn't make her breath it in and the gas shouldn't KO her), but Batman just said she was more powerful than J'onn and *Hal*.
Originally posted by Q99
While not depowered, she clearly fights them in sparing matches without her powers (i.e. Batman uses strength-against-strength holds on her, Black Canary comments in thought bubbles how Diana could end it in an instant if she used her powers, etc.).
At best she can hold back. Simply being able to process things at the speeds she can is a huge advantage.
I'm pretty sure Canary said that if Diana cut loose with a tenth of her speed/strength, she'd get stomped. In short, she can hold back only so much.
Originally posted by Q99
? She's taken him out on plenty of occasions. She always beats him outside of sparing to my knowledge (and in sparing, she uses no speed or strength and they're about even).Hiketeia, League of One, he gets owned.
That battle where he gets knocked down? I think that's one of two from Hiketeia you're thinking of (In it's entirety: pt1/pt2. Batman tries to hit her, fails, and gets knocked off a balcony), and let me show you how the second ended:
Wonder Woman wins.
That's the comic I was referring to. That's the best she's looked against Batman as far as I know. F*cking Rucka.
And he does tag her by the way.
She wins the second round as well but Batman definitely does better:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2865/hikele4.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5769/hikele1.jpg
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Don't just post the end.
Originally posted by Q99
League of One, he showed some truly impressive evasion, until that ran out. He gets shoved into a space capsule/escape pod and ejected into space after this one.You have an odd definition of 'well enough.'
Forgot about League of One. Here's the entire scene:
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Diana eventually takes him down but he still comes off looking very good.
Philo posted the recent beat down of Diana which was pretty sad. Batman also held his own in a sparring match while talking business:
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Gains the advantage and pins her to the ground in a sparring match:
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He stuns her noticeably with an attack to her ears:
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She was blind, but as we know by that point she had compensated for the injury.
He holds his own pretty well again during the JLA: Scary Monsters mini:
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She was possessed in the last scene.
Like I said, he does too damn well against her for there not to be a noticeable gap in skill. That's simply the reality of it.
Originally posted by Q99
Not much was shown, it's just that the point is made she brings in high-level fighters to train with and hone her skills because she's a gourmet of fighting.It's not a feat, it's background.
I'm not going to go look for the scene but I remember deconstructing it after -fangirl perhaps- posted it as evidence of one thing or another.
I can understand people viewing Diana as being skilled, the talk she gets should mean something. It's when her fanbase takes it to an entirely different level and starts putting her on par with people like Rogers, Matt, T'Challa etc.
Remember the thread way back when I had people actually arguing she was more skilled than Steve? Lawlz.
Originally posted by Philosophía
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Glorious PIS and jobbing at its best.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, he does too damn well against her for there not to be a noticeable gap in skill. That's simply the reality of it.
Not really. In the sparing matches they do about evenly (one she gets pinned, the one where he's talking at the same time she wins). In LoO and Hiketeia, he looks pretty good but never stands a chance, and in both of those she's just trying to stop him without hurting him badly.
It strikes me that it's "No use of powers, they're pretty even. Use of powers, even a moderate amount, she wins."
The simple reality is when she's fighting fair, they're about even. Because does it sound remotely in character for Diana to be 'Ok, I'll hold back and not activate my powers enough to make it almost fair... but keep a few stats higher and have a small superhuman edge' in a spar? It doesn't in my book.
Remember the thread way back when I had people actually arguing she was more skilled than Steve? Lawlz.
Steve Trevor? 😉
