Revan, Bane, and Sidious vs. Sion

Originally posted by Zampanó
I do not believe that word means what he thinks it means.

You've been really lucky in your religious arguments; my experience is the exact opposite. (At least, people are willing to argue more desperately longer for religious topics than for political.)
Also, I liked the way that you managed to pidgeonhole Christians as ignorant (Ever hear of Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project, or C.S. Lewis, Apologist Extraordinaire?)

Meanwhile, atheism is not even a worldview, so there's not really any traction to be had for generalizing.

The way most Christians are ignorant is that they dont even know the origin of the Bible. Same with most Americans (sadly) and their own countries history. Its staggering.

If you look at what scientists say (I think it was several) All life is one big random coincidence, because if anything was changed, we would not be alive. That kind of points to there being something causing it, to me at least.

Originally posted by Pwned
Where I live in this random city in Missouri, pretty much every single person is either Christian or Atheist, so I generalized it by that/

The way most Christians are ignorant is that they dont even know the origin of the Bible. Same with most Americans (sadly) and their own countries history. Its staggering.

If you look at what scientists say (I think it was several) All life is one big random coincidence, because if anything was changed, we would not be alive. That kind of points to there being something causing it, to me at least.

One can argue that most Atheists are ignorant as they're prone to spout Philosophy 101 arguments instead of logical rebuttals.

i buy that. I mean everything else degrades over time, why would the universe get more complex?

Side note: Anyone else as excited as **** over thor?

Originally posted by truejedi
that's the difference. no one is claiming a bigbang is omnipresent, so it needs an origin.

Why does it? God apparently doesn't. Simply because the big bang isn't omniprsenet doesn't mean it didn't exist before, well, anything.

Yes to Thor. Going to be freaking EPIC.

And yeah, Atheists get annoying when theres a Christian around, and they havent known them for years (here at least)

Several of my friends are Atheists, several are Christians, if they werent great friends for like, 6 years, they would hate each other. Its kind of sickening to see what it comes to over one thing, especially something where peace and love are preached more often than not.

Because if you are going to use science, USE it. Obviously something didn't just appear out of nothing in a scientific explanation, it had to come from SOMEWHERE in the first place.

At least Christianity admits that they need to use the supernatural to explain it.

Why use science at all, if your answer at the end has to be "we don't know where it came from, it's always been here."

Originally posted by truejedi
Because if you are going to use science, USE it. Obviously something didn't just appear out of nothing in a scientific explanation, it had to come from SOMEWHERE in the first place.

At least Christianity admits that they need to use the supernatural to explain it.

Why use science at all, if your answer at the end has to be "we don't know where it came from, it's always been here."

Both quantum and theoretical physics allow for the infinite to exist.

despite the fact that that spits in the face of common sense?

Originally posted by truejedi
despite the fact that that spits in the face of common sense?

1. It doesn't really.
2. Common sense is (can't believe I'm saying this) relative. Most people are stupid so common sense doesn't exist to them.
3. Things such as M/String Theory allow for the infinite to exist.

I believe Shelden has been trying to prove String Theory for years without success, amirite?

(kidding, kidding)

that aside: Does it allow matter to exist infinitly?

Originally posted by truejedi
I believe Shelden has been trying to prove String Theory for years without success, amirite?

(kidding, kidding)

that aside: Does it allow matter to exist infinitly?

Absolutely.

That doesn't strike you as an attempt to rationalize an unknown without evidence?

it is definitly what it strikes me as.

Originally posted by truejedi
That doesn't strike you as an attempt to rationalize an unknown without evidence?

it is definitly what it strikes me as.

Nope, because they have evidence. I'm just not well versed enough to elaborate on it.. I'm reading the second book by Dr. Kaku.

Originally posted by truejedi
[B]Because if you are going to use science, USE it. Obviously something didn't just appear out of nothing in a scientific explanation, it had to come from SOMEWHERE in the first place.

At least Christianity admits that they need to use the supernatural to explain it.

So because Christianity (or almost any deific religion) more fully explains, in your opinion, the origin of the Universe it is correct?

In all honesty I hardly notice why it explains less. One requires a god to have existed forever, the other the primeval atom (not in all models however).

Why use science at all, if your answer at the end has to be "we don't know where it came from, it's always been here."

Christianity does the same thing however.

Originally posted by truejedi
that's the difference. no one is claiming a bigbang is omnipresent, so it needs an origin.

ares: Right, but christianity doesn't claim to have all the answers. Science should be much like math: I should be able to work backwards through the proof and see all the steps connect. Its why it replaces the need for faith. At least Christianity admits that need.

Sometimes Science DOES rationalize just to discredit religion. However, what's the difference between an infinite atom and God? Two different explanations for the same events.

well, the only problem i have is when those who have faith in science look down on those who have faith in a divine being like they are less intelligent or foolish. I think it is just human nature to try to feel superior over others.

Originally posted by ares834
Why does it? God apparently doesn't. Simply because the big bang isn't omniprsenet doesn't mean it didn't exist before, well, anything.

God, by the purest definition, does not require a beginning. The 'big bang' however certainly does.

If the big bang was what immediately evolved onto what we see now, what caused the big bang? God!!

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Technically isn't the big bang omnipresent because it did go everywhere?

No, not when dealing with the field of quantum mechanics/physics - the big bang is isolated from extra-dimensional space.