Originally posted by quanchi112
Kara wasn't feeling herself and returned to the fight. She cut loose and wasn;t holding back at all and she had the same offensive power that Henshaw had to rip through Doomsday. Doomsday can reform now since he's cyborg doomsday and the only time she relented was when grayson's pleas distracted her.Henshaw's own words also imply how good she was doing and how this would only further humiliate him if she won.
She didn't blitz DD in half if that's what you're implying. She was going all out and still got two-shotted. Henshaw took on DD for the entire issue, half of it weakened. You don't make reference to the fact that DD was in the middle of a battle when Kara attacked him, yet you make mention of Kara listening to Batman II? Also, all she did was knock off his chest piece, it was just metal.
Henshaw also said that he could one-shot kill her with his arm canon.
Originally posted by Sirius77She was distracted and was beaten because of this. Her power already showed it can wreck his body just like Henshaw's which was my point.
She didn't blitz DD in half if that's what you're implying. She was going all out and still got two-shotted. Henshaw took on DD for the entire issue, half of it weakened. You don't make reference to the fact that DD was in the middle of a battle when Kara attacked him, yet you make mention of Kara listening to Batman II? Also, all she did was knock off his chest piece, it was just metal.Henshaw also said that he could one-shot kill her with his arm canon.
I never said Kara was greater than Henshaw only that both can hurt this DD's body. Wrecking this particular DD's body isn't some great feat especially in light of the latest issue of reign. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
She was distracted and was beaten because of this. Her power already showed it can wreck his body just like Henshaw's which was my point.I never said Kara was greater than Henshaw only that both can hurt this DD's body. Wrecking this particular DD's body isn't some great feat especially in light of the latest issue of reign. 🙂
Oh, so can I quote you on that? Supergirl would have beaten Doomsday with Hank Hennshaw's powers if she wasn't distracted by Batman. Okay.
Did she blitz him in half? Or just mess up his metal a little bit? I vote the second one.
You just said that she would have beaten Doomsday when Henshaw got wrecked. So yes you did. Haven't read it yet, but I'm about to. 🙂
Originally posted by Sirius77I dunno. I have to see DD get beaten. I was saying she lost her advantage when she was distracted which is accurate.
Oh, so can I quote you on that? Supergirl would have beaten Doomsday with Hank Hennshaw's powers if she wasn't distracted by Batman. Okay.Did she blitz him in half? Or just mess up his metal a little bit? I vote the second one.
You just said that she would have beaten Doomsday when Henshaw got wrecked. So yes you did. Haven't read it yet, but I'm about to. 🙂
She wrecked him but due to his reforming it wasn't going to stop him.
I said both would most likely lose but both have the power to injure his body. Henshaw hurting his body isn't anywhere near as high up considering the latest issue anyways. I knew people were jumping the gun and I was right again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I dunno. I have to see DD get beaten. I was saying she lost her advantage when she was distracted which is accurate.She wrecked him but due to his reforming it wasn't going to stop him.
I said both would most likely lose but both have the power to injure his body. Henshaw hurting his body isn't anywhere near as high up considering the latest issue anyways. I knew people were jumping the gun and I was right again.
Advantage? All it would have taken either way was two shots. That's all a being that can bypass The Olympian's divine grace would need--two shots, and you're saying that she could win when Henshaw couldn't? I think that you're vastly underrating Doomsday and Henshaw.
Reforming from what? Having a piece of metal knocked off of him every blue moon when she was going all out? Henshaw was unable to reform, and was still fighting. In all honesty I don't see your point quan.
No, you said that she would have won had it not been for Batman. Which means that she would have done better than Henshaw. How is it not a big deal? I just read Action Comics 900 and it was absolutely wonderful. I loved it, but back to the this-- there was nothing to even imply that the feat was less than amazing. What specifically are you referring to?
Originally posted by Sirius77I never said she could win or was going to win I said she has the power also to beat his body in when she hits him. How many times must I type something before you get it ?
Advantage? All it would have taken either way was two shots. That's all a being that can bypass The Olympian's divine grace would need--two shots, and you're saying that she could win when Henshaw couldn't? I think that you're vastly underrating Doomsday and Henshaw.Reforming from what? Having a piece of metal knocked off of him every blue moon when she was going all out? Henshaw was unable to reform, and was still fighting. In all honesty I don't see your point quan.
No, you said that she would have won had it not been for Batman. Which means that she would have done better than Henshaw. How is it not a big deal? I just read Action Comics 900 and it was absolutely wonderful. I loved it, but back to the this-- there was nothing to even imply that the feat was less than amazing. What specifically are you referring to?
Henshaw reformed his arm in this fight. You are underrating supergirl's attacks on him to the point of silliness.
No, I said she was beating him down and then when she got distracted she lost.
This is one DD who had his body wrecked by two elite top tiers in combat. If it was the real mccoy you'd have something but since in his first showing he got his body wrecked there's no evidence any other top tier couldn't do the same. None. 🙂
It was also a horrible issue.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said she could win or was going to win I said she has the power also to beat his body in when she hits him. How many times must I type something before you get it ?Henshaw reformed his arm in this fight. You are underrating supergirl's attacks on him to the point of silliness.
No, I said she was beating him down and then when she got distracted she lost.
This is one DD who had his body wrecked by two elite top tiers in combat. If it was the real mccoy you'd have something but since in his first showing he got his body wrecked there's no evidence any other top tier couldn't do the same. None. 🙂
It was also a horrible issue.
Just once. I heard what you said and are saying now. You implied that she could do what Henshaw could not in an entire issue. You claimed that she would have beat him if not for batman II. I can quote you if you'd like to clear this up.
What does Henshaw reforming his arm have to do with Doomsday?
She would have lost anyway. He two-shotted her when he had enough.
So you consider getting a nick in your chest-plate "wrecked"? Lol. The only being to do significant damage to Doomsday was Henshaw. The rest just got stomped. So which elite top-tiers "wrecked" Doomsday?
I really liked it. But then again, you hate superman and anything DC-related, so your word doesn't really carry much weight on these issues imo.
Originally posted by Sirius77Quote me then because my point was she had the power just like henshaw does to damage his body.
Just once. I heard what you said and are saying now. You implied that she could do what Henshaw could not in an entire issue. You claimed that she would have beat him if not for batman II. I can quote you if you'd like to clear this up.What does Henshaw reforming his arm have to do with Doomsday?
She would have lost anyway. He two-shotted her when he had enough.
So you consider getting a nick in your chest-plate "wrecked"? Lol. The only being to do significant damage to Doomsday was Henshaw. The rest just got stomped. So which elite top-tiers "wrecked" Doomsday?
I really liked it. But then again, you hate superman and anything DC-related, so your word doesn't really carry much weight on these issues imo.
You acted like he never reformed but he lost an arm. Shows to me he's less durable than supergirl for one.
I agree but that doesn't change the fact she has the power to do what Henshaw did physically to Doomsday imo.
Henshaw and Supergirl. Supergirl also was in command of him until the distraction so take from it as you would.
Supergirl and henshaw.
So you liked yet another story where luthor shows up and we find out the truth behind the dd's. I can't believe you liked this. I don't hate dc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quote me then because my point was she had the power just like henshaw does to damage his body.You acted like he never reformed but he lost an arm. Shows to me he's less durable than supergirl for one.
I agree but that doesn't change the fact she has the power to do what Henshaw did physically to Doomsday imo.
Henshaw and Supergirl. Supergirl also was in command of him until the distraction so take from it as you would.
Supergirl and henshaw.
So you liked yet another story where luthor shows up and we find out the truth behind the dd's. I can't believe you liked this. I don't hate dc.
Sure.
Originally posted by quanchi112
She was distracted and was beaten because of this.
To imply that she was beaten only because she was distracted is implying that she would have fared better than Henshaw, which is ridiculous because she was two-shotted, whereas Henshaw lasted the entire issue, most of it unable to regenerate.
She does not have the power to do physically what Henshaw did to Doomsday because she hasn't shown it. Henshaw blitzed Doomsday in half. When has Kara ever done anything like that?
He only got wrecked by one of them. Henshaw. Supergirl just hit him six times and got two-shotted.
The Luthor story was okay, I really got into it when Superman was trying to convince him to save the universe. Luthor really is a true "lawful evil" villain, he makes you hate his character, but he and superman are such opposites. I like Superman because he's truly good, and even though his enemies may not be, he still tries to reason with them and even reform them and inspire them to be the best that they can be. But tbh, I really liked the ones at the end covering social issues and things. And yes you do 😛
Originally posted by Sirius77I didn't imply she would have won I stated because of this distraction she lost.
Sure.To imply that she was beaten only because she was distracted is implying that she would have fared better than Henshaw, which is ridiculous because she was two-shotted, whereas Henshaw lasted the entire issue, most of it unable to regenerate.
She does not have the power to do physically what Henshaw did to Doomsday because she hasn't shown it. Henshaw blitzed Doomsday in half. When has Kara ever done anything like that?
He only got wrecked by one of them. Henshaw. Supergirl just hit him six times and got two-shotted.
The Luthor story was okay, I really got into it when Superman was trying to convince him to save the universe. Luthor really is a true "lawful evil" villain, he makes you hate his character, but he and superman are such opposites. I like Superman because he's truly good, and even though his enemies may not be, he still tries to reason with them and even reform them and inspire them to be the best that they can be. But tbh, I really liked the ones at the end covering social issues and things. And yes you do 😛
I also said I'd favor henshaw over her but that both are capable of physically hurting this DD.
Here she destroys his head. LOL at you acting like she only destroyed his chestplate.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Superman-Batmanannual5041.jpg
Here even henshaw believes she is capable of winning. Even henshaw believes she is doing such damage she might win yet you dismiss her as more of an afterthought.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Superman-Batmanannual5042.jpg
Henshaw did regenerate and since supergirl has never had her limbs torn off you are forced to accept henshaw is less durable than supergirl since she didn't get her arm destroyed like henshaw did.
When has this ever happened to Kara ? Can't have it both ways, eh ?
Henshaw would seem to disagree as would I and the writer. Neither were going to win it seems but both have the power to destroy his body since Kara you know destroyed his face until it reformed.
No, I don't I fully admit my hatred for superman but I don't despise dc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't imply she would have won I stated because of this distraction she lost.I also said I'd favor henshaw over her but that both are capable of physically hurting this DD.
Here she destroys his head. LOL at you acting like she only destroyed his chestplate.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Superman-Batmanannual5041.jpg
Here even henshaw believes she is capable of winning. Even henshaw believes she is doing such damage she might win yet you dismiss her as more of an afterthought.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Superman-Batmanannual5042.jpgHenshaw did regenerate and since supergirl has never had her limbs torn off you are forced to accept henshaw is less durable than supergirl since she didn't get her arm destroyed like henshaw did.
When has this ever happened to Kara ? Can't have it both ways, eh ?
Henshaw would seem to disagree as would I and the writer. Neither were going to win it seems but both have the power to destroy his body since Kara you know destroyed his face until it reformed.
No, I don't I fully admit my hatred for superman but I don't despise dc.
Hmm, I'm not sure how I missed that part, but I have no problem admitting that. However, Henshaw's formidability has never been explicitly in his durability. It's more of the fact that he is able to regenerate so efficiently and quickly. Doomsday apparently inherited this when his powers were copied, durability and all, if the question is raised.
However, I am dismissing her because despite all of this, it still took two shots to take her out, while Henshaw hung on for the entire issue.
Doomsday never directly tried to rip off her arm, so I don't see your point. If he tried, I see absolutely no reason as to why he could not. It doesn't have to happen to Kara in order for it to be a valid possibility.
Neither won, both for their own reasons. Henshaw's regen was shut off, and Kara was just plain inferior to Doomsday. Yes, they can both do damage to Doomsday, but this does not by any means, put any of them on the same level, which was apparently your underlying point.
Originally posted by Sirius77I never said she was greater than henshaw though. I always stated she has the power to physically effect DD just like Henshaw does.
Hmm, I'm not sure how I missed that part, but I have no problem admitting that. However, Henshaw's formidability has never been explicitly in his durability. It's more of the fact that he is able to regenerate so efficiently and quickly. Doomsday apparently inherited this when his powers were copied, durability and all, if the question is raised.However, I am dismissing her because despite all of this, it still took two shots to take her out, while Henshaw hung on for the entire issue.
Doomsday never directly tried to rip off her arm, so I don't see your point. If he tried, I see absolutely no reason as to why he could not. It doesn't have to happen to Kara in order for it to be a valid possibility.
Neither won, both for their own reasons. Henshaw's regen was shut off, and Kara was just plain inferior to Doomsday. Yes, they can both do damage to Doomsday, but this does not by any means, put any of them on the same level, which was apparently your underlying point.
It has happened various times to Henshaw. he's not more durable but most likely since he has the ability to survive most writers will have it occurring just like when the Sentry started reforming his durability took a nosedive.
Henshaw also ha dan entire comic to do damage to DD while supergirl only had a few panels by your same logic of not ripping her arm off.
I don't think she was implied as that inferior to DD especially in henshaw's mind he really believed she might win.
Any elite top tier can physically affect DD based off of these showings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said she was greater than henshaw though. I always stated she has the power to physically effect DD just like Henshaw does.It has happened various times to Henshaw. he's not more durable but most likely since he has the ability to survive most writers will have it occurring just like when the Sentry started reforming his durability took a nosedive.
Henshaw also ha dan entire comic to do damage to DD while supergirl only had a few panels by your same logic of not ripping her arm off.
I don't think she was implied as that inferior to DD especially in henshaw's mind he really believed she might win.
Any elite top tier can physically affect DD based off of these showings.
Well, then I actually can't disagree with you there quan.
The majority of the damage that Henshaw did was also in a few panels as well. Throughout most of the comic, his abilities were also being limited, while Doomsday's were not. Doomsday also had more time to attempt more strategies on Henshaw. Keep in mind that the intent of the DD clones was not to kill the supermen, but rather to incapacitate them. So he knew what Henshaw could take, but he may have known the same of Kara, which is why he avoided the arm rip.
Well, then again, Henshaw said himself that he could kill her with a canon shot. So, I don't that she or any other superman copy after DOS was implied to be explicitly on Henshaw's level. If there was an actual fight between the two, Henshaw would be shown as vastly her superior.
While going all out perhaps, but then again, that's not exactly an issue to most versions of DD.
Supergirl just interrupted the fight and had momentum on her side - and the only major damage she did was to Cyborg Doomsday's..cyborg part which, as Henshaw has demonstrated time and time again, are inferior to the actual tissue; unless you're trying to imply that Arisia can cut Superman's hand or Hal can punch his jaw off.
Once Doomsday regained his footing, she was down in moments.
There's no comparing between her and Cyborg Superman.
Originally posted by Sirius77I disagree. Henshaw had an entire issue to battle DD while supergirl didn't but she showed she has the power to hurt his body as well.
Well, then I actually can't disagree with you there quan.The majority of the damage that Henshaw did was also in a few panels as well. Throughout most of the comic, his abilities were also being limited, while Doomsday's were not. Doomsday also had more time to attempt more strategies on Henshaw. Keep in mind that the intent of the DD clones was not to kill the supermen, but rather to incapacitate them. So he knew what Henshaw could take, but he may have known the same of Kara, which is why he avoided the arm rip.
Well, then again, Henshaw said himself that he could kill her with a canon shot. So, I don't that she or any other superman copy after DOS was implied to be explicitly on Henshaw's level. If there was an actual fight between the two, Henshaw would be shown as vastly her superior.
While going all out perhaps, but then again, that's not exactly an issue to most versions of DD.
I never said she could beat henshaw for a majority only him beating up this doomsday in retrospect isn't impressive.
