Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know you seem to say that about alot of stuff then I go and do research and find out it's not as simple as you're making out.
cool 🙂
as I've said before, I rarely bring up concepts that are beyond intro level psych courses on the forum. congrads that you can go find stuff beyond that level
Originally posted by inimalist
well, what testable predictions could you generate based on the existence of a soul?
Originally posted by Deadline
Are you serious?
Seems an odd response. What are you objecting to in his question, Deadline. He's just asking for something that can be tested in regards to a soul. Otherwise, the idea of a soul is unfalsifiable and lacking evidence for or against it entirely.
...though, many people wouldn't have an issue with the idea of an unfalsifiable soul, but then we're not talking about science anymore.
Originally posted by Digi
Seems an odd response. What are you objecting to in his question, Deadline. He's just asking for something that can be tested in regards to a soul. Otherwise, the idea of a soul is unfalsifiable and lacking evidence for or against it entirely....though, many people wouldn't have an issue with the idea of an unfalsifiable soul, but then we're not talking about science anymore.
Why is he asking me a question he already knows the answer to? Why are we assuming the soul can't be tested?
Originally posted by Deadline
Whatever.
alright, fine, let's do I like this
I openly challenge you to a debate about psi and the soul, in a separate thread dedicated to just you and I going over the issues.
I'll make the thread if you want, and make the first arguments
this will involve me making criticisms of the studies and evidence you present, but that is typical of the scientific process, so you can't get butthurt when I challenge your studie's conclusions, methods or statistics
I wont be able to start until tonight, and I'm camping this weekend, but otherwise I'm game, and he ball is in your court
Originally posted by inimalist
alright, fine, let's do I like thisI openly challenge you to a debate about psi and the soul, in a separate thread dedicated to just you and I going over the issues.
I'll make the thread if you want, and make the first arguments
this will involve me making criticisms of the studies and evidence you present, but that is typical of the scientific process, so you can't get butthurt when I challenge your studie's conclusions, methods or statistics
I wont be able to start until tonight, and I'm camping this weekend, but otherwise I'm game, and he ball is in your court
What on earth are you talking about we tried that already it was a disaster. It's like you're acting like we haven't done this before.
You see thats not even the problem. In our last debate it wasn't about the scientific process it's you debating style. You invent things that don't exist. I even had to go and do further reasearch to find the information I was looking for to disprove NDEs. It's pretty reasonable to assume that you didn't know about the info or you would have made that argument.
I have thought about re-bumping thread maybe I will but as far as I'm concerned not sure it will be worth it. Hell I wasn't really going to mention it but you seem to set yourself up as an authority of science when you don't seem to know that much. Anyone coming to this forum who is interested in parasychology is going to get a misrepresentation of science if they come to this forum.
Originally posted by inimalist
yes, as it means "you want to talk about something without ever having to back up your point"science is the philosophy of how to provide evidence for things
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Philosophy doesn't demand that you don't back things up. Just the opposite, actually. Science can't tell us everything, you know.
Originally posted by TacDavey
😆Philosophy doesn't demand that you don't back things up. Just the opposite, actually. Science can't tell us everything, you know.
Metaphysics tells us nothing by design.
What do you think "philosophy" can tell us? And how do we know which of the many, and contradictory, things "philosophy" tells us is correct?
Originally posted by TacDavey
Not only metaphysics, but yes.
Well what exactly are you referring to then? Philosophy is a broad and very varied term, seldom do people share the same definition of it. So to make it possible to discuss your post, would you kindly define your usage of the word "philosophy" properly?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Metaphysics tells us nothing by design.What do you think "philosophy" can tell us? And how do we know which of the many, and contradictory, things "philosophy" tells us is correct?
Philosophy uses logic and intellectual reasoning to tell us... well... a lot of stuff. Is there a God? That's a philosophical question. Not a scientific one. And it's probably the single most important question to answer, in my opinion.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Philosophy uses logic and intellectual reasoning to tell us... well... a lot of stuff. Is there a God? That's a philosophical question. Not a scientific one. And it's probably the single most important question to answer, in my opinion.
Where would you separate things that are in the realm of science versus those you'd put in the realm of "philosophy"?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well what exactly are you referring to then? Philosophy is a broad and very varied term, seldom do people share the same definition of it. So to make it possible to discuss your post, would you kindly define your usage of the word "philosophy" properly?
I dunno all the branches of philosophy, so I can't narrow it down to which ones are important and which one's aren't.
Philosophy is trying to answer the questions science can't. Things outside of what we can touch or smell. Idea's, the mind, all those things.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Where would you separate things that are in the realm of science versus those you'd put in the realm of "philosophy"?
Science deals in what we can witness with our physical senses, or what we can experiment and test. Philosophy deals with reasoning and logic to use what we know from science to try and answer the questions of what we can't physically interact with or test.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Philosophy uses logic and intellectual reasoning to tell us... well... a lot of stuff. Is there a God? That's a philosophical question. Not a scientific one. And it's probably the single most important question to answer, in my opinion.
That's clearly a scientific question. "Does x object/person exist?" and "Where is object/person?" can and often is investigated by science. We don't hire philosophers to finding missing person's after all.
Now the question of "Can x object/person exist?" is arguably an issue of metaphysics.