Originally posted by whatthehellWell, this isn't obvious...
Takion>> all others. He can absorb extreme amount of energy and different types easily. I can't see anyone absorbing the speed force. Firestorm, Silver Surfer, and Quasar are good. But Thor would be next IMO. His hammer can absorb pretty much anything including magic.
In his earlier days he was exactly like that from his first limited series with wolverine tell earlier x-factor where there was a huge char. Development on his part which change him.. Yeah his gettin high up there.. Lol
Yeah takion should be up there too but his never absorb someone energy without touching dough this was in his earlier showing against ca were he was just getting use with his powers..
Damn cell so slow..
I'd have to see who on that list has siphoned that kind of energy from an organic being. Bombs and ambient energy are one thing, energy contained within the cells of someone like Superman is quite another imo.
Furthermore, If we're going to say that Thor can do it, I have yet to see -in a forum setting- people arguing Thor could siphon solar energy from supes. So if we're going to argue it now then it sets a new precedent for future Supes vs Thor battles.
Originally posted by dmills
I'd have to see who on that list has siphoned that kind of energy from an organic being. Bombs and ambient energy are one thing, energy contained within the cells of someone like Superman is quite another imo.Furthermore, If we're going to say that Thor can do it, I have yet to see -in a forum setting- people arguing Thor could siphon solar energy from supes. So if we're going to argue it now then it sets a new precedent for future Supes vs Thor battles.
Energy absorption is energy absorption. Besides, we've seen it work on everyone from the Wrecking Crew and their magic fueled powers to Firelord and his Power Cosmic.
I never understood why people so rarely bring up energy absorption against Superman in Thor vs. threads. Even those without CIS. I use to do it once in a while but people just don't picture it I guess. I'm assuming it's because he rarely uses it against opponents/beings or people have this misconception that for the energy absorption to work, the opponent has to blast Thor etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Energy absorption is energy absorption. Besides, we've seen it work on everyone from the Wrecking Crew and their magic fueled powers to Firelord and his Power Cosmic.I never understood why people so rarely bring up energy absorption against Superman in Thor vs. threads. Even those without CIS. I use to do it once in a while but people just don't picture it I guess. I'm assuming it's because he rarely uses it against opponents/beings or people have this misconception that for the energy absorption to work, the opponent has to blast Thor etc.
In theory you're right, but on panel and such it seems a bit different. I mean its not exactly a big leap in logic to presume that a character who can absorb energy directed at him/her should also be able to absorb/drain it from its source. But for whatever reason main characters rarely -if ever- do it. Villains seem to do it with no problem, e.g. Rulk, Absorbing Man, Vulcan etc.
Yep. As I said, if its valid in this scenario, which -unless I'm misreading the op- calls for direct siphoning of solar power from supes himself, then that's a real game changer and it's open season as far as I'm concerned. Especially given the fact of how Supes' solar absorption supposedly works, its even more expedient then the infamous "red sun radiation trick" that people argue in Norrin vs Clark fights.
You probably don't argue it for the same reason I rarely argue it for Nova. It just seems cheap. But I'll keep it in mind for future use.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Energy absorption is energy absorption. Besides, we've seen it work on everyone from the Wrecking Crew and their magic fueled powers to Firelord and his Power Cosmic.I never understood why people so rarely bring up energy absorption against Superman in Thor vs. threads. Even those without CIS. I use to do it once in a while but people just don't picture it I guess. I'm assuming it's because he rarely uses it against opponents/beings or people have this misconception that for the energy absorption to work, the opponent has to blast Thor etc.
The only thing I'd say towards that is in reference to Superman's ability to recharge incredibly quickly. Even if you want to assume that Thor can and will drain Superman, it just wouldn't seem practical to me when other avenues of attack could be better utilised...
Not that Thor would win. 😛
Originally posted by dmills
In theory you're right, but on panel and such it seems a bit different. I mean its not exactly a big leap in logic that a character who can absorb energy directed at him/her should also be able to absorb/drain it from its source. But for whatever reason main characters rarely -if ever- do it. Villains seem to do it with no problem, e.g. Rulk, Absorbing Man, Vulcan etc.As I said if its valid in this scenario, which -unless I'm misreading the op- calls for direct siphoning of solar power from supes himself, then it open season as far as I'm concerned. Especially given the fact of how Supes' solar absorption supposedly works.
So you don't think Mjolnir can drain Clark? Well, I have to go right now so I can't spend a few posts maneuvering you and proving my point.
I'll post all of Thor's notable energy manipulation/absorption feats. If you don't think Mjolnir can absorb Superman's energy after them, then we won't agree.
Thor deflects the energy bolts fired by Atlantean ray guns and sends it traveling along the ground to defeat them.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DeflectsEnergycontrol1.jpgThor absorbs the electricity the being Cesium throws at him.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsCesium.jpgThor can imbue immortal energies in objects such as metal, enhancing their attributes greatly.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesEnchantedMetal1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesEnchantedMetal2.jpgThor drains vast amounts of natural energy from the ground and uses it to empower the Master Machine.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Mjolnir75.jpgThor absorbs the searing Atomic Vision of Hyperion.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHyperion3.jpgMjolnir's ability to absorb energy is omni-directional as proven here as Thor absorbs every bit of electricity inside the gaming convention his in, including the wall outlets, and then blats his foe with enough power to melt the city.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsMegatak4.jpgThor drains the Wrecking Crew of their Norn magic enchanted powers.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrainsWreckingCrew1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrainsWreckingCrew2.jpgThor uses Mjolnir to create a magnetic field effect to pull the Avengers over to a building.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir161.jpgMagneto who is in his own right an extremely powerful energy manipulator is powerless to stop Thor absorbing his force field.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsMagneto7.jpgThor draws in and contains the immortal Cosmic Vampire who had turned into a state of gaseous energy, and then blasts him into outer space, trapping him in the heart of the Sun.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsCosmicVampire2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsCosmicVampire3.jpgThor draws in and manipulates pure solar energy directly from the Sun to defeat powerful Vampires. The God of light indeed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir133.jpgThor sends cosmic magnetic waves toward a craft buried deep underwater, and uses the waves to drags the craft up.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesCosmicMagWaves1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesCosmicMagWaves2.jpgThor uses Mjolnir to generate enough cosmic power to harden the molten lava he is in and lift him up.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesCosmicPower.jpgThor contains Thermal Man's powerful attack, focuses it, then redirects it back at him in the form of a powerful Solar Blast.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsThermalMan.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsThermalMan2-1.jpgThor absorbs the lightning created by the Shiva's spear.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsShiva3.jpgThor absorbs Heimdall's cosmic flames and then converts them into raw power that he uses to blast him.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsAsgard2.jpgThor is able to absorb an energy blast from Kang and send the power hurdling back at him.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AbsorbsKangEnergy3.jpgThor absorbs Kang's radiation and hurl it back at him.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/KangRadiation1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/KangRadiation2.jpgThor is able to absorb the deadly radiation of Kang once more and return the power to him ten fold.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AbsorbsKangEnergy1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AbsorbsKangEnergy2.jpgThor apparently absorbs Blastaar's energy blast.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorDefeatingBlastaar3.jpgThor drains X-ray of all his power and radiation, then uses it to defeat Vector.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsVapor1.jpgThor absorbs the strong magnetic currents that gives life to the trolls below and uses the energy to draw Loki to him like a magnet.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir25.jpgThor drains the god Marduk of his power.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsMarduk1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsMarduk2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsMarduk3.jpgThor absorbs the cosmic bolts fired by the Silver Surfer and his Power Cosmic.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight7.jpgThor doesn't need to be holding on to Mjolnir to have it absorb something as shown here when he tosses it at Pluto's mystical flames.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsHades24.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsHades25.jpgThor drains Ultron of all his energy which was so powerful than when Thor released it, the powerful explosion created whites out the sky across half the world.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrainUltron1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrainUltron2.jpg
Thor uses Mjolnir to absorb quantities of Gamma Radiation that are so large, it would have changed the evolutionary path of life on Earth. His fights against the Hulk last as long as they do out of the goodness of Thor's heart.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/AbsorbsGammaRadiation1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/AbsorbsGammaRadiation2.jpgThor draws a field of magnetic energy from the core of an entire planet and then blasts Arishem with such power that the shock wave alone destroys mountain peaks for miles.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MagneticForces1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MagneticForces2.jpgThor drains the powerful energy being known as the Presence against his will and would have killed him had he not stopped.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPresence1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPresence2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPresence3.jpgThor is able to absorb an attack by Thanos from all directions and return the power magnified a hundred fold.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AbsorbThanosEnergy1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AbsorbThanosEnergy2.jpgUsing Mjolnir, Thor absorbs the totality of Glory's power, and redirects it right back at it's soul, unleashing a Quantum Tsunami so powerful, it destroys Glory and rips through reality.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory7.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory8.jpgThor is able to draw the magnetic forces of the entire Galaxy and use it to magnetize a futuristic robot into a harmless pile of tin.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrawsMagneticForces.jpgThor absorbs the energy of the Null Bomb -enough energy to destroy an entire Galaxy- and releases the energy deep into the Universe, reigniting a dying Sun.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/NullBombAbsorb.jpgThor absorbs and stores a portion of the life force of Olympus, the Egyptian Gods, the Chinese Gods, the Inca Gods, the Aztec Gods, the Eskimo Gods, the Persian Gods, the Aboriginal Gods, the African Gods, the Japanese Gods, the Native American Gods, the Hindu Gods, each given to him the respective Skyfathers of their pantheons. Thor then uses the energy to resurrect the entire Asgardian life force.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AbsorbsEnergyfromPantheons1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AbsorbsEnergyfromPantheons2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AbsorbsEnergyfromPantheons3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AbsorbsEnergyfromPantheons4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AbsorbsEnergyfromPantheons5.jpgMjolnir absorbs the Life Bomb. Said bomb was so powerful, it would have wiped out 1/5th of the Universe.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ContainsLife-Bomb2.jpg
Note: This is also an absorption feat in my opinion because the Life Bomb did not merely cause an explosion that would blow over but literally caused space to cease existing where it struck and this effect was not present even inside the vortex that Thor created.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir158.jpgThor uses his Godly energies to seal a breach in the fabric of reality
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SealsHoleinReality.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SealsHoleinReality2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SealsHoleinReality3.jpg
Originally posted by -Pr-
The only thing I'd say towards that is in reference to Superman's ability to recharge incredibly quickly. Even if you want to assume that Thor can and will drain Superman, it just wouldn't seem practical to me when other avenues of attack could be better utilised...Not that Thor would win. 😛
Seeing how powerful Mjolnir's energy absorption is, it would be a real game changer. Clark doesn't recharge instantly. If Thor drains him completely and then follows up with an attack, you'll end up in tears. The battle field also matters. An ability as simple as hiding the Sun under clouds would slow down the recharging.
This is assuming Thor would utilize it instead of just beating him to death. 🙂
Originally posted by -Pr-I hear you man, but would you agree that a Thor energy drain on Supes seems to be a far more likely -or at least believable- scenario then the red sun weakness exploitation that people argue in favor of Norrin?
The only thing I'd say towards that is in reference to Superman's ability to recharge incredibly quickly. Even if you want to assume that Thor can and will drain Superman, it just wouldn't seem practical to me when other avenues of attack could be better utilised...Not that Thor would win. 😛
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLulz, Nah man I can dig it. It's like you mentioned earlier, I had never known Thor to be capable of direct siphoning of that sort. But it makes sense now looking back I suppose.
So you don't think Mjolnir can drain Clark? Well, I have to go right now so I can't spend a few posts maneuvering you and proving my point.I'll post all of Thor's notable energy manipulation/absorption feats. If you don't think Mjolnir can absorb Superman's energy after them, then we won't agree.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seeing how powerful Mjolnir's energy absorption is, it would be a real game changer. Clark doesn't recharge instantly. If Thor drains him completely and then follows up with an attack, you'll end up in tears. The battle field also matters. An ability as simple as hiding the Sun under clouds would slow down the recharging.This is assuming Thor would utilize it instead of just beating him to death. 🙂
He recharges fast enough imo.
Originally posted by dmills
I hear you man, but would you agree that a Thor energy drain on Supes seems to be a far more likely -or at least believable- scenario then the red sun weakness exploitation that people argue in favor of Norrin?
Definitely.
Originally posted by dmills
Lulz, Nah man I can dig it. It's like you mentioned earlier, I had never known Thor to be capable of direct siphoning of that sort. But it makes sense now looking back I suppose.
He can and has done it. Just look through the scans I posted and you'll find the evidence you need. I don't have time to pick and choose the specific feats unfortunately.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He recharges fast enough imo.
Fast enough for what? If Thor drains his cells completely, his pretty much f*cked I'd wager. It's not an instantaneous process. At least as far as I've seen.
