IGN's Top 100 Heroes Of All Time

Originally posted by ares834
Sure Mr. Dungbell!

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
capt has powers. He the next step in human evolution. There a reason it called the SUPER soldier serum.

Semantics thats why I said he doesn't have any 'real' superpowers. Thats why you can argue that low superhuman and peak human are the same.

Yea he's superhuman but no intelligent Cap fan is going to argue he's 100% bonifide official superhuman like people like Spiderman.

Whats the frig with Ghost Rider being near the end on the list

character gets no respect.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea said I wasn't arguing about that in my post.

So that's kinda my point, right? I said Cap's a better leader, but then said why Spidey should still be higher on such a list. Are we actually in disagreement here?

Originally posted by ares834
Actually I did. The Dark Knight still outdid Spiderman by a significant amount.

Ok, to play devil's advocate here: yes, DK did earn more adjusted gross. Your post didn't include that bit though, so my initial rebuttal was valid.

But looking at the numbers, DK outearned SM by 37 million. A small percentage with the figures quoted in the link (well over 500 million). Then add in the entire franchise, and Spider-Man 2 is just a bit down the list, and SM-3 is also on the list. Bats claims but one spot.

So are we weighting the (close) win for DK, or including the success of the entire SM franchise? I think any objective analysis would have to award SM the clear overall win.

...so the point remains: box office revenue = poor way to list heroes. That was my original point, and I stand by it.

If you include the entire SM movie box office vs Batman's, wouldn't Batman win, since he has more films? Doesn't matter, Batman has had better movies by far. And better cartoons than Spidey.

What? TDK is the only good Batman movie that exists, whereas Spidermen 1 and 2 were both great. Even then, Spiderman 2 was better than TDK.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
What? TDK is the only good Batman movie that exists, whereas Spidermen 1 and 2 were both great. Even then, Spiderman 2 was better than TDK.

So would you guys say the list was ill advised, inconsistent, a bit off, unfair, not properly structured etc?

Pretty much every top so and so lists are inconsistent. It's all on a matter of opinion. I thought the list was ok, definitely agree on the top 20, though.

lol Spidey 2 being better than Dark Knight.

To hell with Dark Knight anyway. I liked Batman Begins a lot more.

Originally posted by Digi
But looking at the numbers, DK outearned SM by 37 million. A small percentage with the figures quoted in the link (well over 500 million). Then add in the entire franchise, and Spider-Man 2 is just a bit down the list, and SM-3 is also on the list. Bats claims but one spot.

So are we weighting the (close) win for DK, or including the success of the entire SM franchise? I think any objective analysis would have to award SM the clear overall win.

...so the point remains: box office revenue = poor way to list heroes. That was my original point, and I stand by it.

Oh I agree.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
To hell with Dark Knight anyway. I liked Batman Begins a lot more.

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Really ridiculous list.

For instance...

Rick Grimes? What has Rick Grimes done in the 7 years he's existed that allows him to be so high up the list, while the best zombie killer of all time - Ash Williams - misses out completely?

Originally posted by ares834
That still is bit more than 5%, which is fairly significant.

Would it though? Batman has plenty of other movie besides Begins and TDK. SPiderman, to my knowledge, has only the three.

Oh I agree.

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I know it's not a movie, but don't forget Spidey's 70's show.

Adam Wests Batman was better than that. Even though I enjoyed both.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
If you include the entire SM movie box office vs Batman's, wouldn't Batman win, since he has more films?.

Ok, sure. But then why stop there? Let's do ALL marketing venues. TV, merchandise, ads, etc. See my point? You can't judge a "hero" based on revenue. At least not entirely, or mostly.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Doesn't matter, Batman has had better movies by far. And better cartoons than Spidey.

Both subjective opinions (albeit defensible ones). We're not talking about qualities of the heroic persona here, nor cultural impact.

Terrible list.

Begins was weak sawce. wtf charles.

Originally posted by Digi Ok, sure. But then why stop there? Let's do ALL marketing venues. TV, merchandise, ads, etc. See my point? You can't judge a "hero" based on revenue. At least not entirely, or mostly. Both subjective opinions (albeit defensible ones). We're not talking about qualities of the heroic persona here, nor cultural impact.

i never said we had to. either way, if you count all those elements, bats would still be on top.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i never said we had to. either way, if you count all those elements, bats would still be on top.

Debatable, I suppose, but likely. I never contested him at #2.

For the sake of being a dick and derailing this thread, I will. 313

Batman isn't even a hero because he sends villains to Arkham knowing they're going to break out and kill people again. Punisher's a better hero.

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