I still say pound for pound Superman is the best there ever was up until DC dropped the nerf bat and resorted to the cosmic nerf cube in DC. On the average when there is an unstoppable foe, Superman answers the call most often for a one on one showdown and shows everyone exactly what happens when he stops holding back more often than not he tools his opponent in his next few moves. Happens often enough that it can't really be called PIS. Also if you want to talk about low end feats as taking away from characters high ends no one walks away unscathed as most abstracts from Eternity to LT get absolutely tooled by their number of low showings compared to them preforming at their best.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
It gets me this I got the issue right here. Doctor Octopus knocked the Hulk out using his adamantium arms in Spiderman #19. HE GOT KTFO BY DR OCTOPUS LOL. Noone gets knocked out more than Hulk the strongest one there is.
That was professor Hulk. And yes the Doc. Ocks arms were Adamantium in that issue.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
You know I am right. Thor or Superman would never get knocked out by Dr. Octopus.......never. Spiderman dosen't even get knocked out by him. You give up becuase you have nothing. 😉
Professor Hulk.. Adamantium arms, and yes Spiderman was also knocked out by them. And Hulk has shown himself to be Thor's equal or superior in strength on more than one occasion.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Hulk starts out too low to be a serious threat if other characters went straight to his dome instead of letting him get angry.
Why does it matter how strong he is when he's just changed from Banner? And he can increase his strength very quickly, depending on the nature of the danger he's fighting.
Originally posted by carver9
You know Hulk fought Pre Crisis Superman as well and actually did better? hhhmmm, at one point he temporarily tkoed him. At another point, Supes admitted that Hulk was stronger than him.Those scans doesn't help this argument and if we had to compare the 2 against that Supes, Hulk did far better.
Of course, the problem here is that any Marvel Vs DC story is among the least canon storylines in the history of comics. Storm beating Wonder Woman? Wolverine beating Lobo? Come on!
Whereas He-Man being owned by DC at the time of his published fight with Supes meant it was canon.
Originally posted by KJ Stewart
Of course, the problem here is that any Marvel Vs DC story is among the least canon storylines in the history of comics. Storm beating Wonder Woman? Wolverine beating Lobo? Come on!Whereas He-Man being owned by DC at the time of his published fight with Supes meant it was canon.
Uummm... all those fights you just named were VOTED on by us. The Supes and Hulk fight was the thought process from DC and Marvel on how a fight would go down between PreCrisis Supes and Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Uummm... all those fights you just named were VOTED on by us. The Supes and Hulk fight was the thought process from DC and Marvel on how a fight would go down between PreCrisis Supes and Hulk.
"Ummmm"... I'm well aware of that. But they still published it. And it's still not canon, so it's still completely irrelevant making reference to any Marvel/DC crossovers, which don't represent the characters in the New Earth and 616 timelines.
Unlike He-Man Vs PC Supes, which was canon.
And, blatant facts like that aside, He-Man is much, much faster than Hulk. Without PIS, utilising all his abilities in a fair fight, he punts Hulk to the sun before Hulk can react.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That was professor Hulk. And yes the Doc. Ocks arms were Adamantium in that issue.Professor Hulk.. Adamantium arms, and yes Spiderman was also knocked out by them. And Hulk has shown himself to be Thor's equal or superior in strength on more than one occasion.
Why does it matter how strong he is when he's just changed from Banner? And he can increase his strength very quickly, depending on the nature of the danger he's fighting.
I don't care what Hulk it was. getting knocked out by Dr. Octupus is a bad showing for any Hulk. Adamantium or not octupus should not have the strength to knock him out.
Originally posted by long pig
Wasn't there a kryptonite meteor near-by when Cap Marvel ko'd Superman? He was wondering why Supergirl wasn't affected by it.
Yeah and didn't Supes win that in the end anyway? Or are we expected to believe it was Batman's kick that put down Cpt. Marvel LOL
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
I don't care what Hulk it was. getting knocked out by Dr. Octupus is a bad showing for any Hulk. Adamantium or not octupus should not have the strength to knock him out.
Why not considering Wolverine's adamantium claws can apparantly cut Thanos..
Its not as bad as your making out.. And the fact that its Professor Hulk makes it even more meaningless.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERWhy not considering Wolverine's adamantium claws can apparantly cut Thanos..
Its not as bad as your making out.. And the fact that its Professor Hulk makes it even more meaningless.
You do have a valid point about Thanos getting cut by Wolverines claws. I still think Hulk should not be able to be knocked out by Doc ock, but i do get your point.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
didnt he man fight silver age superman? the guy who can pull a solar system on a chain?
The "Solar system tugging" Supes was basically dead by 80's, when the fight happened At that point, he was already being depowered before Byrne got his hands on him.
But yeah, they fought in DC Comics Presents, which was basically akin to the Cartoon "Batman: Brave and the Bold", where Superman teamed up with all sorts of characters and got shoehorned into the plot, even if his absence wouldn't have affected it much.
Their "fight" amounted to about two or three panels, max.
Hell, you see longer fights in DC/Marvel crossovers.
But for the record, Superman did seem to have the advantage... Although, you also have to account for the fact that Supes was being magically controlled, thus could not hold back, while He Man would likely pull his punches...